[swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

[Adam Eberbach]

If you need yet another perspective, your tone does seem abrasive. This is not the place for regretting how Apple handles bug reports.

Best regards,
Adam Eberbach

> On 14 Sep. 2016, at 12:24 pm, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users <swift-users at swift.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shawn,
> 
> Could you give me examples of what I said was clearly "unprofessional"?  Two months for a bug because open source is "do it yourself".  This sounds like a crappy support team by a large multinational company that open sources non-functional Linux ports of its language.  I gave clear examples and bugs so I don't understand why you are getting defensive and hammering me with the "unprofessional" word.  First, address the issues and the bugs; I gave you clear examples and you circumvent those issues and flag the post because you don't want to confront that the tooling is buggy and flaky.
> 
> I believe that a company of Apple's stature is unprofessional when they deliver buggy code to their customers that they pay money for.  Before you respond to this message, please address the bugs that I hyperlinked and the forum question problem.  You are wasting my time.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Shyamal Chandra
> shyamalc at gmail.com
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>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Shawn Erickson <shawnce at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You message are really coming across with an unprofessional tone. I understand you are frustrated but folks inside and outside of Apple have been working their butts off and frankly deserve a little more civility.
>> 
>> Anyway, the Linux side of things is very much an open source - do it yourself - type of thing at this time. I am sure folks would love to have the issues and short coming addressed but need folks to step forward.
>> 
>> If you would like to talk specifics about swift issues you are having a fair number of folks are on this list and possibly could help.
>> 
>> Also note Apple folks are likely a little burned out right now with all of the crazy work closing out - as best they could - on Swift 3 and Xcode 8, etc. so they may not be the quickest to respond.
>> 
>> -Shawn
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 6:53 PM Shyamal Chandra via swift-users <swift-users at swift.org> wrote:
>>> I am not arguing; I am bringing up defect in the Apple way of handling bugs for Swift, Xcode, and Playgrounds.  Am I supposed to wait for eternity?
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016, Jens Alfke <jens at mooseyard.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Shyamal Chandra <shyamalc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you really think that is a viable option again?
>>>> 
>>>> No, you’re right. Reporting bugs is clearly the least viable option, except for all the other options* (like arguing on mailing lists.)
>>>> 
>>>> —Jens
>>>> 
>>>> * With apologies to Winston Churchill
>>> 
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