<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><div style="direction: inherit;">If you need yet another perspective, your tone does seem abrasive. This is not the place for regretting how Apple handles bug reports.</div><br>Best regards,<div>Adam Eberbach</div></div><div><br>On 14 Sep. 2016, at 12:24 pm, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Shawn,<div><br></div><div>Could you give me examples of what I said was clearly "unprofessional"? Two months for a bug because open source is "do it yourself". This sounds like a crappy support team by a large multinational company that open sources non-functional Linux ports of its language. I gave clear examples and bugs so I don't understand why you are getting defensive and hammering me with the "unprofessional" word. First, address the issues and the bugs; I gave you clear examples and you circumvent those issues and flag the post because you don't want to confront that the tooling is buggy and flaky.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe that a company of Apple's stature is unprofessional when they deliver buggy code to their customers that they pay money for. Before you respond to this message, please address the bugs that I hyperlinked and the forum question problem. You are wasting my time.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Shyamal Chandra</div><div><a href="mailto:shyamalc@gmail.com" target="_blank">shyamalc@gmail.com</a></div><div>Linkedin: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc</a></div><div>Phone: 620-719-9064</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Shawn Erickson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shawnce@gmail.com" target="_blank">shawnce@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You message are really coming across with an unprofessional tone. I understand you are frustrated but folks inside and outside of Apple have been working their butts off and frankly deserve a little more civility.<br><br>Anyway, the Linux side of things is very much an open source - do it yourself - type of thing at this time. I am sure folks would love to have the issues and short coming addressed but need folks to step forward.<br><br>If you would like to talk specifics about swift issues you are having a fair number of folks are on this list and possibly could help.<br><br>Also note Apple folks are likely a little burned out right now with all of the crazy work closing out - as best they could - on Swift 3 and Xcode 8, etc. so they may not be the quickest to respond.<br><br>-Shawn<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 6:53 PM Shyamal Chandra via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">I am not arguing; I am bringing up defect in the Apple way of handling bugs for Swift, Xcode, and Playgrounds. Am I supposed to wait for eternity?<span></span><br><br>On Tuesday, September 13, 2016, Jens Alfke <<a href="mailto:jens@mooseyard.com" target="_blank">jens@mooseyard.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Shyamal Chandra <<a>shyamalc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Alegreya-Regular;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Do you really think that is a viable option again?</span><span style="font-family:Alegreya-Regular;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></span><br style="font-family:Alegreya-Regular;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></blockquote></div><br><div>No, you’re right. Reporting bugs is clearly the least viable option, except for all the other options* (like arguing on mailing lists.)</div><div><br></div><div>—Jens</div><div><br></div><div>* With apologies to Winston Churchill</div></div></blockquote><br><br>-- <br>Sent from Gmail Mobile<br></div></div>
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