[swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

[Jens Alfke]

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users <swift-users at swift.org> wrote:
> 
> Here is a forum question that I posted a while back.  The latest post says to file a bug under the bug report.  I have had mixed success with the bug reporter tool from Apple; most of the time, they ask for the system diagnostics and then, tell you to update your version.  Sometimes, they just close the issue and nothing happens.

Apple’s bug-reporting process is not the greatest, I agree. Most of that is a side effect of how secretive and opaque Apple is: you can’t see bugs anyone else has filed, and once you file a bug you can’t see what’s going on internally, and if it gets marked as a dup you can’t see the progress of the bug it was duped against.

Fortunately Swift is now open source and has its own more open bug tracker at bugs.swift.org.

> I was doing something "simple" in Playgrounds and my version of Playgrounds doesn't function properly because it is emitting an error when I write bug-free code.  Why is Playgrounds so flaky?

Now you’re talking about Xcode, not about Swift itself. Everyone has a love/hate relationship with Xcode (even inside Apple; I used to work there.) It’s a hugely complex app with a thousand competing demands it has to fulfill. Some parts of it suck. Generally they get better over time. The Swift support —  and playgrounds in particular — still seem pretty rough. I still spend most of my time with Obj-C and C++, and whenever I do Swift development it feels like I’m using a different, much less stable IDE! I imagine it still needs more time to mature.

I don’t know if this mailing list is the best place to discuss Xcode issues, even ones related to Swift. Apple has an xcode-users mailing list at http://lists.apple.com . It’s a good quality list that I’ve been on for years.

—Jens
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