[swift-evolution] [Discussion] mailing list alternative

Maxim Veksler maxim at vekslers.org
Tue Feb 7 08:10:09 CST 2017

Ok, super off topic but since it's Apple after all...

Email was considered ancient even back at 2007, when the iPhone was lunched
and yet someone at Apple decided it was an important enough channel to use
it's scale as a promotional channel with the "Sent from my iPhone", this
persists to this very day. I wonder - What was the rational behind that
decision?  Possibly that might shade some new insights for this ongoing
discussion of email vs. web.

I personally feel that email is raw, i.e. the "protocol" and there might be
a room for a new native based solution aimed at mailing lists which
supports "modern" type of communication but behind the scenes communicates
using "raw" email messages to enable all the awesome Crusties in the
community a valid solution. The beauty of email is that the information is
mine. I don't need to worry about anyone shutting their discourse / service
down and me losing all the historic reference. I "own" it, I can search it.
I can print it and co.


On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 at 14:09 Tino Heth via swift-evolution <
swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

> I’d encourage those who want web forums to give Mail.app a try. It does a
> remarkable job of keeping emails threaded.
> That doesn't read like we are using the same Mail.app… it's not failing on
> a regular basis for me, but it's far away from being remarkable (at least
> not remarkably good).
> Sticking with Email feels terribly behind the times, and considering Swift
> being such a young language, that imho is really odd.
> Email is old and trusted, but the emphasis is on old: The whole protocol
> has big flaws which no one anticipated in the early days, which have never
> been fixed, and which most likely won't be fixed ever.
> Discourse on the other hand may have some features that could have a tiny
> negative impact for those who prefer to keep things as they have been in
> the eighties, but it is not a huge network of servers and clients governed
> by several billion different parties which makes progress impossible.
> It's a single software fully controlled by whoever sets it up — and you
> know what: It's even open source!
> So every programmer here has the ability to solve all the issues that have
> been brought up as an argument to stick with mailing lists (and as it
> happens to be that I am a programmer, that gives me a great feeling of
> empowerment, whereas the legacy of email leaves me powerless).
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