[swift-evolution] adding Obj-C syntax to Swift?

[L. Mihalkovic]

Regards
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> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Josh Parmenter via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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> My reply didn’t go to the list… my apologies…
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> On Jul 11, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Ford Prefect <fordpre at mail.com<mailto:fordpre at mail.com>> wrote:
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> People say nearly every WWDC code example was Swift. That says to newcomers "learn Swift, not Obj C".
> Swift is being ported on other platforms but Objective C is not.
> Google has talked about switching to it, which may be unrelated but likely not since the Valley is a small place.
> 
> More people using Swift is great. But C is still used. C++ is used. Why does Obj-C need to go away for Swift to gain a larger dev base?
> 
> If Google starts to use Swift, do you see Java going away?

As of 2 years ago the google source code repo had more than 10Mloc of java. It might take a while to replace. Assuming they would adopt swift for android, i give it no more than 2 years for them to come with a fork having all the type-system enhancements apple does not want to add, in the spirit of how they did to the webkit code some of the refectoring the apple team did not want to do (i remember when they did the reorg many wanted or introduced the out of proc loading model first)

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> Obj-C has been here for awhile. Certainly before iOS and even before OS X. I don’t see it going away any time soon, even in those eco-systems.
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> Best,
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 at 8:03 PM
> From: "Josh Parmenter" <jparmenter at vectorform.com<mailto:jparmenter at vectorform.com>>
> To: "Ford Prefect" <fordpre at mail.com<mailto:fordpre at mail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [swift-evolution] adding Obj-C syntax to Swift?
> Where is this wall with writing you speak of?
> My feeling is, if you want Obj-C syntax, why not use Obj-C? I actually don't get the feeling that access to it as a development language is really going away.
> Best
> Josh
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 20:00, Ford Prefect via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org<mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org><mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps one of the most disliked aspects of Swift
> is the Rust-like syntax, which requires that each coder resign himself to
> grin-and-bear-it in order to obtain the benefits of Swift.
> Since "the writing is on the wall" that Objective C
> is in its last days at least as far as app writers go
> (maybe within Apple it will endure), is there any
> chance of sweetening the pill a bit by giving us
> back the more readable syntax of Objective C, in particular
> the method call syntax? It just made more sense to
> format a method call like Smalltalk.
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