[swift-evolution] adding Obj-C syntax to Swift?

[Goffredo Marocchi]

I do not think it is likely, but it would be somewhat interesting if one day macOS and IOS were the only two platform using the least diffused/niche dialect of Swift while on Linux, Android, and Windows people were all using a dialect of Swift which became the de facto standard in the case Apple refused to merge the forked changes upstream.

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> On 12 Jul 2016, at 08:47, L. Mihalkovic via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Josh Parmenter via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
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>> My reply didn’t go to the list… my apologies…
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>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Ford Prefect <fordpre at mail.com<mailto:fordpre at mail.com>> wrote:
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>> People say nearly every WWDC code example was Swift. That says to newcomers "learn Swift, not Obj C".
>> Swift is being ported on other platforms but Objective C is not.
>> Google has talked about switching to it, which may be unrelated but likely not since the Valley is a small place.
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>> More people using Swift is great. But C is still used. C++ is used. Why does Obj-C need to go away for Swift to gain a larger dev base?
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>> If Google starts to use Swift, do you see Java going away?
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> It opens some interesting lines of thinking... Will google eventually become "the future of swift"? I would not be entirely surprised considering the man-power they have compared to apple, what they already did in the past in similar situations.
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>> Obj-C has been here for awhile. Certainly before iOS and even before OS X. I don’t see it going away any time soon, even in those eco-systems.
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>> Best,
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>> Josh
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>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 at 8:03 PM
>> From: "Josh Parmenter" <jparmenter at vectorform.com<mailto:jparmenter at vectorform.com>>
>> To: "Ford Prefect" <fordpre at mail.com<mailto:fordpre at mail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [swift-evolution] adding Obj-C syntax to Swift?
>> Where is this wall with writing you speak of?
>> My feeling is, if you want Obj-C syntax, why not use Obj-C? I actually don't get the feeling that access to it as a development language is really going away.
>> Best
>> Josh
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 20:00, Ford Prefect via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org<mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org><mailto:swift-evolution at swift.org>> wrote:
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>> Perhaps one of the most disliked aspects of Swift
>> is the Rust-like syntax, which requires that each coder resign himself to
>> grin-and-bear-it in order to obtain the benefits of Swift.
>> Since "the writing is on the wall" that Objective C
>> is in its last days at least as far as app writers go
>> (maybe within Apple it will endure), is there any
>> chance of sweetening the pill a bit by giving us
>> back the more readable syntax of Objective C, in particular
>> the method call syntax? It just made more sense to
>> format a method call like Smalltalk.
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