[swift-evolution] Simplifying Access Using 'Hidden'

[Jean-Daniel]

> Le 15 févr. 2017 à 16:37, Michel Fortin via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> a écrit :
> 
>> 
>> Le 15 févr. 2017 à 9:28, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> On 15.02.2017 14:29, Joanna Carter via swift-evolution wrote:
>>>> The beauty of Swift 2's access modifiers was that they were based
>>>> around files and modules, explicitly rejecting types and scopes as
>>>> units for determining visibility. It seems at base there's a group of
>>>> people who reject that decision altogether. Hence, new `private`,
>>>> proposals around `protected`, `friend`, `hidden`, `extensible`, etc.
>>> 
>>> I suppose, for those coming from an Objective-C only background, any
>>> extra visibilities are seen as a bonus.
>>> 
>>> For those coming from a Pascal background, file-based visibility seems
>>> more natural.
>>> 
>>> But for those of us who have used languages like C++ and C#, losing the
>>> visibilities that we have been used to can seriously affect how we think
>>> and design stuff.
>>> 
>> 
>> Was surprised that you expressed exactly what I'm thinking about this subject.
>> 
>> I do believe even in Swift we need a way to say "only code that *knows* what it does should see this" and to not force us to write(and manage) the the code in same file.
>> Yes, some implementation details that shouldn't be used by "users" of the type, but can be used by "extenders" of our type. At least in the same module.
>> 
>> While reading, the question was raised(if was discussed, let me know pls): what if we extend the meaning of 'private' to 'visible to current type/scope and subtypes and extensions in the *same module*' ?
>> This will help us to split types by files, help to better model access policy for fields/methods(i.e. only scope that can know about details can see them) while 'private' still will be hidden outside of the module even for subclasses/extensions.
>> 
>> So, we'll have such situation:
>> 
>> "modifier" -> "can be accessed from"
>> -------------------------------
>> public -> outside of the mondule
>> internal -> inside the module only
>> fileprivate -> the same file only
>> private -> the same type/scope, or subtype, or extension in the same module. I.e. some kind of 'internal' but scope-oriented.
>> 
>> Actually I still believe we need current 'private' and additionally some 'protected' with meaning "access from subtype, or extension" probably with this limitation: "only in the same module". But suggested extended 'private' will be also OK for me.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
> 
> Here's an idea in three points:
> 
> 1. Return to the Swift 2 definition of `private`.
> 2. Introduce `scoped` to limit the visibility to within the same type, subtype, or extension.
> 3. Allow mixing the two.
> 


Alternative plan:

1. Return to the Swift 2 definition of `private`.
2. Work on submodule.
3. Work on visibility.

As the visibility and the way the code is structures will be a major goal of submodule, I don’t think it is worth investing more time on Access visibility until we know more about submodules.



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