[swift-evolution] [Proposal] Refining Identifier and Operator Symbology

[Xiaodi Wu]

Point well taken, but FWIW, there is a large difference between *you*
expressing whimsy and committing the language to an open-ended series of
continuous revisions for the sole purpose of enabling one particular form
of whimsy. It's rather an overstatement to say that we are proposing to
"squash the joy out of everything," as though we all lived our lives in
states of ascetic deprivation before the advent of emoji.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 14:38 Russ Bishop via swift-evolution <
swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Brent Royal-Gordon via swift-evolution <
> swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>
> I was in the middle of writing about my opposition to the original
> proposal when I went to bed last night, and was going to advocate something
> like this:
>
> Given the current state of the discussion over in Unicode land, I think it
> would probably be safe from a compatibility standpoint to admit code points
> that fall into the following (Unicode-style) code point set:
>
> [:S:] - [:Sc:] - [:xidcontinue:] - [:nfcqc=n:] & [:scx=Common:] -
> pictographics - emoji
>
>
> I suspect we can probably also do something about emoji, since I doubt UAX
> #31 is going to. Given that they are all static pictures of people or
> things, I think we can decide they are all nouns and thus all identifier
> characters. If we think there are some which might be declared operators
> later, we can exclude them for now, but I'd like to at least see the bulk
> of them brought in.
>
> I think addressing emoji is important not for any technical reason, but
> for nontechnical ones. Emoji are a statement about Swift's modern approach;
> modernity is important. They are fun and whimsical; whimsy is important.
>
> And most importantly, emoji identifiers are part of Swift's culture. It's
> widely understood that you don't use them in real code, but they are very
> common in examples. Just as we worry about source compatibility and binary
> compatibility, so we should worry about culture compatibility. Removing
> emoji would cause a gratuitous cultural regression.
>
>
> I fully agree. It’s hella presumptuous to decide that I’m not allowed to
> express whimsy, frustration, humor, or any other emotions in my code. Or to
> tell an 8 year old using Playgrounds on the iPad that he/she can’t name a
> variable 🐷 purely because they find it *funny*. We don’t have to squash
> the joy out of *everything*.
>
>
> Russ
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