[swift-evolution] [META] Gmane and Swift Evolution

Kevin Ballard kevin at sb.org
Sun Jul 31 23:44:55 CDT 2016

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016, at 03:42 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <swift-
>> evolution at swift.org> wrote:
>> Gmane.org[1] is shutting down.
>> http://ostatic.com/blog/mint-18-xfce-imminent-gmane-org-shutting-down
>> writes:
>>> "*Long time mailing* list archive site Gmane.org[2] is shutting
>>> down. Gmane has been the home for technical mailing list references
>>> since 2002. But it's no longer fun for founder and only maintainer
>>> Lars Ingebrigtsen. He's been sued in India and threatened with legal
>>> action in at least France, among other annoyances. The straw that
>>> broke Ingebrigtsen's back was a sustained denial of service[3]
>>> attack throughout the month of July. He's been wondering a lot
>>> lately if it's all worth it. So, he's decided[4] to move the mail
>>> and news servers to new hosting. However, Ingebrigtsen is indeed
>>> discontinuing the web-based archive. He said he's just "fed up."
>>> He's willing to send a disk with the web server archives to anyone
>>> who wants to take it over. But with the Gmane.org[5] web presence
>>> gone, it feels like the end of an era. There is much wailing and
>>> gnashing of teeth throughout the community with some even trying to
>>> get a petition started."
>> Because of this shutdown, numerous documents in the Swift Evolution
>> github archive no longer point to valid web links. I have pasted a
>> list of gmane links at the end of this message. As gmane's
>> "robots.txt" disallowed crawling, Google has not preserved the titles
>> or text of the links, which makes finding some of these a little
>> tricky.
>> Here are the remaining links that are not yet converted. Please
>> consider adopting a proposal, tracking down its links, and mailing
>> this thread with the proposal number, gmane links and pipermail
>> equivalents. Pipermail is located at
>> https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/. Some of these may
>> refer to  build dev discussions instead of evolution ones. If you
>> can, please track down to the exact message for rationale, and the
>> thread for discussion and review links.
> Completely agreed.  All of these should point to
> https://lists.swift.org (and always should have, exactly for reasons
> like this).  I’d appreciate any PRs to help clean up the evolution
> repo to point to https://lists.swift.org instead.

FWIW, Gmane.org has been around for something like 14 years, and it
provided a vastly better experience for actually reading the thread
than pipermail, so I don't think using Gmane links was a bad decision
at the time.

Also, if it helps, the guy who runs Gmane offered to send a thumbdrive
with all the archives to anyone who wants to take over in providing a
web interface, and there were a few people expressing interest in that,
so with luck the website will come back in some form at some point.



  1. http://gmane.org/
  2. http://gmane.org/
  3. https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/
  4. https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502
  5. http://gmane.org/
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