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<body><div>On Sun, Jul 31, 2016, at 03:42 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution wrote:<br></div>
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<div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-line-break:after-white-space;"><div><a href="http://gmane.org/">Gmane.org</a> is shutting down. <a href="http://ostatic.com/blog/mint-18-xfce-imminent-gmane-org-shutting-down">http://ostatic.com/blog/mint-18-xfce-imminent-gmane-org-shutting-down</a> writes:<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div>"<b>Long time mailing</b><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(38, 38, 38)"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px"> list archive site <a href="http://gmane.org/">Gmane.org</a> is shutting down. Gmane has been the home for technical mailing list references since 2002. But it's no longer fun for founder and only maintainer Lars Ingebrigtsen. He's been sued in India and threatened with legal action in at least France, among other annoyances. The straw that broke Ingebrigtsen's back was a </span></span></span></span><a style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(7, 105, 141);font-family:'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;" href="https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/">sustained denial of service</a><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(38, 38, 38)"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px"> attack throughout the month of July. He's been wondering a lot lately if it's all worth it. So, </span></span></span></span><a style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(7, 105, 141);font-family:'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;" href="https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502">he's decided</a><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(38, 38, 38)"><span class="font" style="font-family:'Lucida Grande', Trebuchet, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px"> to move the mail and news servers to new hosting. However, Ingebrigtsen is indeed discontinuing the web-based archive. He said he's just "fed up." He's willing to send a disk with the web server archives to anyone who wants to take it over. But with the <a href="http://gmane.org/">Gmane.org</a> web presence gone, it feels like the end of an era. There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth throughout the community with some even trying to get a petition started."</span></span></span></span><br></div>
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<div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(38, 38, 38)"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Because of this shutdown, numerous documents in the Swift Evolution github archive no longer point to valid web links. I have pasted a list of gmane links at the end of this message. As gmane's "robots.txt" disallowed crawling, Google has not preserved the titles or text of the links, which makes finding some of these a little tricky.</span></span><br></div>
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<div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(38, 38, 38)"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Here are the remaining links that are not yet converted. Please consider adopting a proposal, tracking down its links, and mailing this thread with the proposal number, gmane links and pipermail equivalents. Pipermail is located at </span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/</a>. Some of these may refer to build dev discussions instead of evolution ones. If you can, please track down to the exact message for rationale, and the thread for discussion and review links.</span><br></div>
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<div>Completely agreed. All of these should point to <a href="https://lists.swift.org">https://lists.swift.org</a> (and always should have, exactly for reasons like this). I’d appreciate any PRs to help clean up the evolution repo to point to <a href="https://lists.swift.org">https://lists.swift.org</a> instead.<br></div>
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<div>FWIW, Gmane.org has been around for something like 14 years, and it provided a vastly better experience for actually reading the thread than pipermail, so I don't think using Gmane links was a bad decision at the time.<br></div>
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<div>Also, if it helps, the guy who runs Gmane offered to send a thumbdrive with all the archives to anyone who wants to take over in providing a web interface, and there were a few people expressing interest in that, so with luck the website will come back in some form at some point.<br></div>
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<div>-Kevin</div>
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