[swift-evolution] A mode with no type checking to compete with Python.

[Manav Gabhawala]

On December 5, 2015 at 7:09:51 PM, Amir Michail via swift-evolution (swift-evolution at swift.org) wrote:

On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Austin Zheng via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

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I disagree with the idea that a type system is too much of a hurdle for beginner programmers to overcome.

Don’t you think that Python currently provides a better introduction to programming due to its simplicity?
I disagree. The only reason people think Python is a simpler introduction language is because so far Swift has only been used to teach iOS and OS X programming never as a programming language in itself. And if you decide to introduce someone to programming and have them jump into iOS or OS X programming they have to learn a new way of thinking (programming) as well as all the underlying complexities of building an app like the view controller lifecycle, run loops, target action, MVC, etc. If swift were taught as a pure programming language I think it would serve as a far superior introduction to programming than Python, or any other programming language that currently exists for that matter.




Austin

On Dec 5, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Kevin Lundberg via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

This is somewhat possible today on Apple platforms with AnyObject. You can call any objc-visible method on AnyObject and it will compile, and the return type will also be AnyObject (I don't recall if the return type is optional as well or not). This doesn't work with value types, but neither does id in objc.

Having a more complete lax typed mode similar to Python or php I think is of limited usefulness, would add too much complexity to the language, and yield too much uncertainty about any given piece of swift code. 

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Kevin Lundberg

On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Adrian Kashivskyy via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> wrote:

I can't believe I'm seeing a proposal to remove type safety, one of the fundamental features of Swift...

Regards,
Adrian Kashivskyy
iOS Developer at Netguru

Wiadomość napisana przez Amir Michail via swift-evolution <swift-evolution at swift.org> w dniu 05.12.2015, o godz. 20:51:

Python is still easier than Swift for beginning programmers. But maybe such a mode can allow Swift to be used by beginners also? _____________________________________________ swift-evolution mailing list swift-evolution at swift.org https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution




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