<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">@Jan: Your arguments are very subjective if not even insulting and derogatory to many people who invest a lot of time and effort in crafting those things you despise so openly. Here are just a few example quotes for you to reflect your language:</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">"I despise fp“, „is so annoying“, "made Swift imo a worse language“, "I hate ‚modern' or as I call it ugly“, "<a href="http://airmail.calendar/2017-02-09%2012:00:00%20MEZ">Today</a>’s standards are a bag of pain“, "crappy sites als Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Stackoverflow, add lots of other 'cool' sites“, "I can’t stand scrolling“, "I hate both“, "todays absolutely useless crap“, …</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Please be aware that this behavior is against the <a href="https://swift.org/community/#code-of-conduct">Code of Conduct</a> of the Swift Community. Let’s try to stay objective and justify different opinions rationally instead of personally. Of course it is valid for you to say that you don’t like FP or that you don’t like how the world is changing in general. But please be aware that you have to add the reason why you think it is so in detail, so we understand your thinking and can overcome changes to the wrong direction. Senctences like „I despise FP“ without any explanation are not a form of constructive feedback though, nobody will learn anything from that kind of thing. Currently you’re merely expressing your anger here, no more, no less.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">@Jens: One of the biggest reasons I’m all for Discourse is the fact that it’s open source. What this implies is: You know exactly what happens with the data you save there, and, there is no dependency on a third-party service which could change or even close over time. This is why I’m against <a href="http://groups.io/">groups.io</a>, GitHub Issues or any other non-open source solution. What it also means is: If the open source tool we decided to go for (Discourse) doesn’t have good support for emails yet, we can implement it ourselves, improve the existing support or add a bridge to another open source tool that can deal with that.</div></div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1486661358830704896" class="bloop_sign"><div>-- <br>Cihat Gündüz</div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">Am 9. Februar 2017 um 15:59:33, Jan Neumüller via swift-evolution (<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>) schrieb:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div></div><div>
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Well, if the community likes it so much. Have fun with it. I will
leave as I have left the Developer Forums at Apple because they
became unusable.
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<div class="">On 9 Feb 2017, at 15:17, Adrian Zubarev <<a href="mailto:adrian.zubarev@devandartist.com" class="">adrian.zubarev@devandartist.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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The quote below made my day dear Swift friend as I might remind you
that if<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">modern</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is associated with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal;" class="">hate</code><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in your mind, then
the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><em class="">modern</em><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>programming language called
Swift would probably be a bad choice.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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I starting to think that myself. I was very active at the beginning
of Swift (way before the open sourcing) but I absolutely don’t like
the increasing influence of functional programming on it. I despise
fp and don’t want it in Swift. If people want it that much use
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<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">I might remind everyone that
Discourse is open sourced and therefore tweaks are possible. If you
prefer a consistent font like on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://swift.org/" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">swift.org</a></code>, than spell it out and help to create
a corner on the web where every Swiftier feels right at
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I don’t think that Discourse is salvageable but go on. But I don’t
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<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">Personally I’d prefer (if
possible) that we’d remove profile pictures from the forum and
simply have only full names (colored?) + some kind of annotation
(e.g. Core Team, etc.). Profile pictures are only gimmicks that
does not contribute to anything at all.</p>
<p style="margin: 15px 0px;" class="">As Jan already said, the font
(and font-size?) of the forum could match the font from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://swift.org/" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">swift.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if possible. I wouldn’t mind
and it’d make it a little bit more alike.</p>
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<div>You don’t have to care for me - Swift 4 will be the deciding
step if I throw any Swift work away and return to Objective-C. The
heavy functional programming push since open sourcing is so
annoying and made Swift imo a worse language.</div>
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