<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That proposal also says:<div class=""><h3 style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 24px; margin-bottom: 16px; font-size: 1.25em; line-height: 1.25; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Deciding the fate of <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: inherit; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">AnyObject</code> lookup</h3><p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">We currently bestow the <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">AnyObject</code> existential type with the special ability to look up any <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">@objc</code> method dynamically, in order to ensure <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">id</code>-based ObjC APIs remain fluent when used in Swift. This is another special, unprincipled, nonportable feature that relies on the Objective-C runtime. If we change <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">id</code> to bridge to <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">Any</code>, it definitely no longer makes sense to apply to <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">AnyObject</code>. A couple of possibilities to consider:</p><ul style="box-sizing: border-box; padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><li style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">We could transfer the existing <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">AnyObject</code> behavior verbatim to <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">Any</code>.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class=""><p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 16px;" class="">We could attempt to eliminate the behavior as a language feature. An approximation of AnyObject's magic behavior can be made using operators and unapplied method references, in a way that also works for Swift types:</p><div class="highlight highlight-source-swift" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 16px;"><pre style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 1.45; word-wrap: normal; padding: 16px; overflow: auto; background-color: rgb(247, 247, 247); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; word-break: normal;" class=""> <span class="pl-c" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(150, 152, 150);">/// Dynamically dispatch a method on Any.</span>
<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">func</span> <span class="pl-en" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(121, 93, 163);">=></span> <T, V>(myself: <span class="pl-c1" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 134, 179);">Any</span>, method: (T) <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">-></span> V) -> V? {
<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">if</span> <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">let</span> myself <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">=</span> myself <span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">as?</span> T {
<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">return</span> method(myself)
}
<span class="pl-k" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(167, 29, 93);">return</span> <span class="pl-c1" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 134, 179);">nil</span>
}</pre></div><p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 16px;" class="">though that's not quite the right thing for <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">id</code> lookup, since you want a <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">respondsToSelector</code> rather than <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">isKindOfClass</code> check.</p></li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class="">We could narrow the scope of the behavior. Jordan has suggested allowing only property and subscript lookup off of <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">AnyObject</code> or <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">Any</code>, as a way of allowing easy navigation of property lists, one of the most common sources of <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">id</code> in Foundation.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class="">If we're confident that the SDK will be sufficiently Swiftified that <code style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Menlo, Courier, monospace; font-size: 14px; padding: 0.2em 0px; margin: 0px; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0392157); border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px;" class="">id</code>s become relatively rare, maybe we could get away without a replacement at all.</li></ul><div class="">What was decided concerning that? I felt sure that the lookup had been completely removed, but I’m obviously mistaken.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25 Aug 2016, at 09:59, Quinn The Eskimo! via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">On 25 Aug 2016, at 08:23, David Hart via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">You can’t call arbitrary functions on AnyObject anymore.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">You’re mixing up `Any` and `AnyObject`. You can still call arbitrary methods on `AnyObject`, as Martin demonstrated, but Travis’s error message referenced `Any`.<br class=""><br class="">SE-0116 [1] means that `Any` is a lot more common these days.<br class=""><br class="">Notwithstanding the above, I don’t have any input on the change of behaviour Travis is seeing.<br class=""><br class="">Share and Enjoy<br class="">--<br class="">Quinn "The Eskimo!" <<a href="http://www.apple.com/developer/" class="">http://www.apple.com/developer/</a>><br class="">Apple Developer Relations, Developer Technical Support, Core OS/Hardware<br class=""><br class="">[1] <<a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0116-id-as-any.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0116-id-as-any.md</a>><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-users mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>