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<!--StartFragment--><p class="MsoNormal">I do agree that there isn’t a lot of functional innovation
with POP however where I would disagree is saying it is the same paradigm as
OOP (or other programming paradigm).
And it is OK to agree to disagree that is where good discussions can be
found.</p><p class="MsoNormal">The reason that I would disagree is because how we think about the
design is different. With OOP we have
the single monolithic superclasses with class hierarchies. With POP, I believe the design may be closer
to the Entity Component System described in Adam Eberbach’s e-mail because POP
encourages a more modular or component design for our types using protocol
composition and protocol inheritance. </p><p class="MsoNormal">I do agree that languages can cater to different programming
paradigms. To be honest, programming
paradigm basically boil down to how we architect our application and in my
opinion how we architect/design our application with POP is different than OOP
because we design/compose our types differently and we are no longer encouraged
to use class hierarchies which is really the backbone of OOP.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Jon</p>
<!--EndFragment--><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Daniel Tartaglia <<a href="mailto:danielt1263@gmail.com" class="">danielt1263@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ah yes Wallacy! That’s the point I’m making. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Procedural, Functional, Modular, and Object Oriented programming are different paradigms. Languages can cater to different paradigms by making it easier to code in some than others, but the paradigm has nothing to do with the language per se. You can do OO in C with function pointers, it just requires more typing.</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The point I’ve been trying to make to Jon is that POP is not a new paradigm, but it *is* a better syntax for the same paradigm. Better syntax is a great thing and deserves accolades, but don’t make it out for more than it is.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 17, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Wallacy <<a href="mailto:wallacyf@gmail.com" class="">wallacyf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">If you go further, you will realize that Objects are only Structures with some function pointers.<br class=""><br class="">The differences on structured programming and object-oriented programming can be reduced to a "syntax level" too.<br class=""><br class="">POP for example encourages more use of multiple (inheritance|composition) than OO. The pattern is more important than syntax.<br class=""><br class="">However I agree, Swift POP still have many limitations and almost no innovation. There are several proposed improvements to protocols that should arrive in the next versions, maybe then people start to consider POP a true paradigm. For now is just a syntax sugar for <u class="">Composition over inheritance</u>.</div><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>