<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Adam Kemp via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Should there be some kind of diagnostic if you have an @abiPublic definition that is never referenced by any @inlinable function? I can imagine that there might be tools to check that a new build of a module doesn’t break binary compatibility by verifying that you didn’t remove any @abiPublic symbols, but what if you never meant to and never needed to export that symbol in the first place? How do we prevent that from happening?</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>From a technical standpoint it would be possible to implement such a diagnostic, with the caveat that it would probably only work in whole module optimization mode. However, you’re right that there’s a complication here:</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Perhaps a diagnostic like this would cause problems if you started with an @inlinable function that called an @abiPublic function and then in a subsequent version of your module you modified the @inlinable function such that it no longer calls the @abiPublic function. You would still need to keep that @abiPublic function to support clients that had inlined the old version, right?</div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is correct; you may well end up with newer versions of a library that carry @abiPublic symbols only for compatibility reasons.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Maybe this could be built into the hypothetical binary compatibility checker. If there is no previous version or if the previous version didn’t have the symbol and it’s never referenced then it’s an error. Would that work? Am I overthinking this?</div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes, that would certainly be possible. We’ve discussed having an “ABI differ” tool as something we would really like to have, but so far no concrete design has been proposed. I expect this discussion will take on a greater urgency once we get close to shipping the second version of an “ABI stable” standard library. It’s obviously not needed the first time around.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Slava</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">On Dec 20, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div name="messageBodySection" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, sans-serif;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin-top: 0px !important;" class="">The review of "SE-0193 - Cross-module inlining and specialization" begins now and runs through <strong style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">January 5, 2018</strong>.</p><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">The proposal is available here:</p><blockquote style="margin: 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(26, 188, 156);" class=""><div style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0193-cross-module-inlining-and-specialization.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0193-cross-module-inlining-and-specialization.md</a></div></blockquote><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All review feedback should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at:</p><blockquote style="margin: 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(26, 188, 156);" class=""><div style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></div></blockquote><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the review manager. </p><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">When replying, please try to keep the proposal link at the top of the message:</p><blockquote style="margin: 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(26, 188, 156);" class=""><div style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class="">Proposal link:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0193-cross-module-inlining-and-specialization.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0193-cross-module-inlining-and-specialization.md</a><br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">...<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">Reply text<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">...<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">Other replies</div></blockquote><h3 id="toc_0" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 20px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: text; position: relative; font-size: 18px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">What goes into a review of a proposal?</h3><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of Swift. </p><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">When reviewing a proposal, here are some questions to consider:</p><ul style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; padding-left: 30px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">What is your evaluation of the proposal?</p></li><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">Is the problem being addressed significant enough to warrant a change to Swift?</p></li><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift?</p></li><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">If you have used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?</p></li><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">How much effort did you put into your review? 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