<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:24 PM, C. Keith Ray <<a href="mailto:keithray@mac.com" class="">keithray@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: SourceCodePro-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Not everyone uses the IDE as a crutch for writing code. As someone who has used many languages, editors, and operating systems, I don't rely on autocomplete and sometimes turn it off because it gets in my way.</span><div style="font-family: SourceCodePro-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: SourceCodePro-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">my experience with C# was sometimes frustrating because it could be hard to find the return type of a function, or the type of a "var" variable. Xcode's playgrounds, faster search, and "print(type(of:x))" provides a nicer experience.</div><div style="font-family: SourceCodePro-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: SourceCodePro-Regular; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">(you should try Resharper and C# to see what refactoring support should look like.)</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Yeah, my main point was that things like autocompletion shouldn't really be a huge issue for this proposal. Even if we could match the state of the art in Python, it still would be inferior to the state of the art in Swift.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've heard lots of good things about C# and the tooling around it, but being primarily a Mac user I've yet to find time to spend on a project in it. I definitely wouldn't be against trying it out some day :)</div></body></html>