<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Nov 2017, at 9:23 am, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin-top: 0px !important;" class="">The review of "SE-0190 - Target environment platform condition" begins now and runs through <strong style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">November 24, 2017</strong>.</p><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">The proposal is available here:</p><blockquote style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; border-left-width: 4px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); padding: 0px 15px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0190-target-environment-platform-condition.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0190-target-environment-platform-condition.md</a></div></blockquote><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All review feedback should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at:</p><blockquote style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; border-left-width: 4px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); padding: 0px 15px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></div></blockquote><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the review manager. </p><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">When replying, please try to keep the proposal link at the top of the message:</p><blockquote style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; border-left-width: 4px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); padding: 0px 15px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class="">Proposal link: <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0190-target-environment-platform-condition.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0190-target-environment-platform-condition.md</a><br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">...<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">Reply text<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">...<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">Other replies</div></blockquote><h3 id="toc_0" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 20px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: text; position: relative; font-size: 18px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">What goes into a review of a proposal?</h3><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of Swift. </p><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">When reviewing a proposal, here are some questions to consider:</p><ul style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; padding-left: 30px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">What is your evaluation of the proposal?</p></li></ul></div></div></blockquote>I think it’s good in theory, but I am concerned that there is currently only one example case of “simulator”, which also seems somewhat limited to Apple Platforms. Would another case “device” make sense?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Also a few questions I have:</div><div><ol class=""><li class="">How would this be extended to make sense for each platform? Say<font face="Helvetica, arial, sans-serif" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> on platforms that actually have an emulator (rather than a simulator) how would this apply to those cases?</span></font></li><li class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">How does it make sense for the desktop where we could compile on the platform, and there would *be* no </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif;" class="">simulator?</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif;" class="">Could there be other relevant cases we can add at other times?</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif;" class="">Would these cases only make sense for Platform Vendors or IDEs to manage?</span></li></ol></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><ul style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; padding-left: 30px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift?</p></li></ul></div></blockquote>I think it makes sense to clean this up. The current checks are remarkably obscure and full of unsafe assumptions it would be good to sort out. But I’d like to see this solution fleshed out to a solution that is appropriate beyond the iOS/tvOS/watchOS ecosystems.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><ul style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; padding-left: 30px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">If you have used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?</p></li></ul></div></blockquote>No, but I have run into the same problems documented here in Obj-C and Swift.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><ul style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; padding-left: 30px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><li style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 15px;" class="">How much effort did you put into your review? A glance, a quick reading, or an in-depth study?</p></li></ul></div></blockquote>A quick reading.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><p style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin-top: 15px; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin-bottom: 0px !important;" class="">Thanks,<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">Ted Kremenek<br style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;" class="">Review Manager</p></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>