<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wagner <<a href="mailto:razielim@gmail.com" class="">razielim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">FWIW, Ben Cohen and I have been talking about possibly using Swift packages as a way to seed out experimental ideas for extensions to the Standard Library. This would allow ideas to be trialed by real usage (a complaint I’ve seen about some changes we’ve made to Swift in the past). Users could build things on top of those libraries, knowing they are available as packages, and if an API “graduates” to being part of the Standard Library the user can then depend upon it being available there. If it never graduates, however, the package remains around.</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Yeah this is exactly the problem that the package manager is there to solve, right? It’s supposed to make it ridiculously easy to integrate libraries and manage your dependencies.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">The problem is that most people writing Swift code every day are doing it to make graphical applications on iOS/macOS. SwiftPM doesn’t support those, so if I want to test a library, it’s just a one-off thing that I play with in a Playground.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I think that the best thing we could do to encourage people to write, use and contribute to public libraries would be to improve the package manager. SwiftPM is still basically a toy (or an interesting curiosity), until it can actually be used in the projects most Swift devs get paid to work on every day. Talking about it supporting a community is way premature; it’s not even close to ready to taking on that responsibility, IMO.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I agree that the tooling support around SwiftPM is not sufficiently advanced yet to support this for everybody. Further, I don’t think there would be a need to preclude other ways to share libraries for this purpose, even if the SwiftPM tooling support was more mature.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The primary point I wanted to make was more about the model itself. I’d prefer the community grow up a set of libraries that trialed and used before focusing on prematurely baking them into the core Swift distribution.</div></body></html>