<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 17, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Adam Kemp <<a href="mailto:adam_kemp@apple.com" class="">adam_kemp@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 17, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Kevin Nattinger <<a href="mailto:swift@nattinger.net" class="">swift@nattinger.net</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Once we allow covariant functions to satisfy protocol requirements and have generalized existentials and recursive protocol requirements, wouldn't we be able to update thusly:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">protocol Unordered {</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>func map<T>(…) -> Any<U: Unordered where U.Element == T></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">}</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">protocol Ordered: Unordered {</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>func map<T>(…) -> Any<O: Ordered where O.Element == T></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">}</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now apply that to every order-preserving function that takes a Sequence and returns another Sequence. You’ve moved the burden from users of API to implementers of API. It reminds me of the const/non-const split that C++ developers have to deal with, where a lot of functions end up being implemented twice so that you can have a const version and a non-const version (generally one just calls the other). It’s a pain. I don’t want that when working with Sequences. I don’t think it’s worth it. And FWIW, when I was programming in C# I wrote functions that took an IEnumerable<T> and return another IEnumerable<T> very often. It’s a powerful feature that would have been ruined by a change like this.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The idea is that covariance would mean you only need to implement the function once.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="">As I've been saying all along, elementsEqual returning a functionally random result when an unordered type is involved is a problem.</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">In theory. Where is the evidence that this leads to a significant number of real-world bugs? All you’ve done is describe a conceptual problem, but you haven’t connected the dots to real-world problems. Again, I can point to .Net, which has a much larger community of developers who have been working with the same “problem” since version 2.0 released in 2005. If this is a significant source of bugs then there should be evidence of that. Where is that evidence?</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>If there are no real-world problems, why do we feel the need to change the function name in the first place?</div><br class=""></body></html>