<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Was there any progress made on this? It almost feels like were not going to move to a forum until Swift 6-7. Would be interesting to see a sign of progress here. :)</div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1507536467059035136" class="bloop_sign"></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">Am 3. August 2017 um 23:14:16, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution (<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>) schrieb:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div></div><div>
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<div class="">When moving to a forum, the problem becomes a thread
splintering to an overwhelming tree. I'd prefer to see a single
primary thread (as in the mailing lists) with breakout threads for
working groups. These could be built either around already
identified areas (see manifestos) or future directions (such as
mathematics, fp, merging features from other
languages). </div>
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<li class="">I think announce should announce. One thread,
one purpose.</li>
<li class="">I think evolution should have a review forum: one
thread for each proposal.</li>
<li class="">Pitches and RFC should have their own forum, with
individual threads. The dangers here are (1) losing good ideas, (2)
good ideas that are timed poorly, (3) redundant ideas from not
having found previous discussions, (4) well intentioned but
inappropriate ideas. Having a way to filter types 3 and 4 out to a
subforum to raise the S:N should be possible but will require some
kind of moderation (such as Xiodi Wu has put such effort into
supporting)</li>
<li class="">Working groups need their own development area. There
needs to be some sort of top-level organization to make this usable
("Generics", "Dispatch", "Calendar/Clocks/Time", "Mathematics",
"Strings", "Collections", whatever), but there should also be a
level of flexiblity. I'd recommend giving manifesto topics initial
priority at the top level but I'd also suggest that there have to
be some kind of effort to open a new discussion area, to limit the
number of "ghost forums".</li>
<li class="">A SE version of a FAQ, be it "Commonly
Proposed"/"Commonly Rejected" and some kind of Quinn-like Eskimo
support for directing and moderating.</li>
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<div class="">The measures of success are:</div>
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<div class="">* Can track news ("announce")</div>
<div class="">* Can participate in active reviews</div>
<div class="">* Can read archived reviews</div>
<div class="">* Can pitch and develop proposals as part of a
working group</div>
<div class="">* Can search for previous discussions</div>
<div class="">* Can look up whether common topics have already been
hit </div>
<div class="">* Can support a small and well-populated forum
hierarchy with few orphans and ghosts</div>
<div class="">* Communicates that the forum is a non-social working
area and a public record of language development.</div>
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<div class="">On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Ted Kremenek via
swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A while back a decision was reached to move from using
mailing lists for swift-evolution to using a forum, specifically
Discourse. At the time that decision was made, efforts had
been already well committed for supporting the development of Swift
4 — including efforts supporting important infrastructure efforts
such as the source compatibility suite. I apologize for not
providing more transparency in why moving to a forum was being
delayed. Some things took longer than expected.
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<div class="">To be clear, the plan is to still move to Discourse,
and with Swift 4 winding down there is now bandwidth to focus on
making the transition from mailing lists to a forum.
<b class="">As part of that transition, I’d like to get some
feedback from the community</b>.</div>
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<div class="">There has been some good conversations on this
mailing list on how swift-evolution can possibly evolve to better
serve the needs of the community. I’m not talking about
whether or not we use a mailing list or a forum — that decision has
been made. Specifically, I’m talking about how a forum could
best be structured to organize discussions and allow everyone to
optimally participate. In the move to Discourse, we have the
opportunity here to possibly do things a bit differently than we
have been so far.</div>
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<div class="">For example, here are some of the questions I’m
thinking about how we should be use a forum:</div>
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<div class="">- We currently have swift-evolution and
swift-evolution-announce. Should we use a specific “category”
in the forum for "proposals that are in active review" — and
possibly remove the need to have something like
swift-evolution-announce? </div>
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<div class="">- Should we have other topical areas to organize
discussions? If so, at what granularity?</div>
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<div class="">We can certainly figure out a lot of this over time,
but I’d like some feedback from the community now on things they’d
like to see in how we organize the swift-evolution forum based on
experiences we’ve had with swift-evolution since it was
created.</div>
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<div class="">Please chime in on this thread if you have feedback,
and focus on keeping this constructive.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks,</div>
<div class="">Ted</div>
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