<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 3, 2017, at 12:28 AM, Andrew Trick via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 2, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 2, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class="">This semantic doesn’t make sense to me, and I think we need to change it. I think we are better served with the semantics of “the body may be inlined, but doesn’t have to.”</div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">That is the effect it has today. The decision to inline or not is made by the optimizer, and @inlinable doesn’t change anything here; it makes the body available if the optimizer chooses to do so.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Also remember we have the @inline(never) attribute. It’s not underscored so I’m assuming it’s an “official” part of the language. And "@inline(never) @inlinable" is a perfectly valid combination — it serializes the SIL for the function body, and while inlining it is prohibited, it is still subject to specialization, function signature optimizations, etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Slava</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">FWIW, the @inlinable name has always confused me. Methods not marked @inlinable are still internally inlinable. "Inlining" is already a term of art with specific semantics in other languages, and even in Swift is it's own thing to be controlled independently from resilience. The real issue I have with the name is that it says nothing about resilience. I’ll never forget that fragility is the opposite of resilience. I can't see how a @fragile attribute would ever be misconstrued.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>+1. This is exactly how I feel.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for the various shades of fragility of data types, I don't see why that can't be handled as qualifiers or additional optional attributes for expert developers. It’s just a matter of picking a reasonable default.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Andy</div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>