<div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 06:20 Gwendal Roué <<a href="mailto:gwendal.roue@gmail.com" target="_blank">gwendal.roue@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">>> If I take on my free time exposing issues, it's because I hope that maybe some reader will consider them with proper attention, then maybe agree that there is an issue worth investigating, and then many conclude that a made decision has to be reverted. That's a multi-step process. And that process starts with a proper read of the issues that have been exposed.<br>
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> Keep in mind that by posting to this list, you are also demanding other people spend their free time on the issue. And again, these issues have already been discussed. If a point is made once but doesn't carry the day, repeating it again and again doesn't make it more convincing.<br>
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The fact that you fail at evaluating the relevance of an issue, as exemplified by the fact that you never answer directly to the described problems, does not make that issue moot.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">As I have already replied, you have provided examples, but I fail to see any unanticipated problem that is illustrated by them. It appears that the proposed implementation for SE-0185 causes each of your examples to behave exactly as the proposal authors would intend them to. You may disagree that SE-0185 is desirable, but that is quite distinct from bringing up a new insight about something unanticipated.</div></div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Instead, it may well end in the ears of people who have been more engaged in the subject: Tony Allevato as the author of SE-0185, and Chris Lattner the review manager.<br>
</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, it is clear that you and others are trying to re-open a debate about SE-0185. And I am writing to ask you not to do that, as it is contrary to the standard procedure by which this list evaluates proposals. There is deliberately a preset period of time for consideration. It serves the purpose of promoting timely feedback, since community memebers are incentivized to put forward the most fully developed thoughts while the idea has the attention of the greatest possible proportion of those who are engaged in the community, and before the core team makes a decision; it also preserves forward momentum by causing the community to move on to other issues once a decision is taken. I'm sure all who participate on this list feel strongly that one or another decision is wrongly taken. However, it is extremely disrespectful to others involved in this process to insist that the decisions with which you happen to disagree are the ones which, right now, need to be reconsidered because you have decided that it is a convenient time for you to re-state your thoughts again.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Their feedback would be especially appreciated, considering that the SE-0185 acceptance rationale (<a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution-announce/2017-August/000400.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution-announce/2017-August/000400.html</a>) doesn't address the issues I'm please to repeat for the interested readers:<br>
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> For reference, here are some issues with implicit synthesis:<br>
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> - <a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20170911/039704.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20170911/039704.html</a><br>
> - <a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20170911/039710.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20170911/039710.html</a><br>
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