<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Aug 2017, at 09:44, Tino Heth via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Thanks for the update!</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">- We currently have swift-evolution and swift-evolution-announce. Should we use a specific “category” in the forum for "proposals that are in active review" — and possibly remove the need to have something like swift-evolution-announce? </div></div></blockquote><div class="">Guess swift-evolution-announce is the right place to ask this question… but I don't know where the answers should go ;-)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Whatever we do concerning swift-evolution-announce, I think it would be worth pinning the review threads to the top of swift-evolution during the review period.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Just to help frame the rest of the discussion on this thread, the intention is to move all of the lists to Discourse.<br class=""></blockquote>All lists, and a single instance of Discourse?</div><div class="">I don't remember if there was a discussion about Discourse in swift-dev… imho that list doesn't suffer from the problems that evolution has.</div><div class="">Also, it will be very easy to cross-post from users to evolution (without switching from Mailclient to browser and search for a post in the archives), so imho a strong separation has no downsides.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I think swift-users, swift-evolution and swift-evolution-announce would all benefit a lot from Discourse because they are high volume and is more approchable for newcomers. I don’t have a strong opinion about the -dev lists, but its true it would be simpler if everything was on the same platform.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">- Should we have other topical areas to organize discussions? If so, at what granularity?</div></div></blockquote></div>There are some topics (multithreading, metaprogramming, reflection, generics, ownership…) that imho couldn't be pushed forward on the mailing list because of their size.<div class="">I hope Discourse will help to manage concepts that don't fit in a single proposal (there's a wiki posts feature that sounds promising) and allows talking about features that can't be implemented soon, but might be affected by short-term changes.</div><div class="">There are already some manifestos written, so I guess there might be Core members with special interest in certain topics who could act as patron for "their" subject.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I think it would be very beneficial to organise discussions by topics. That would allow pinning the relevant manifestos at the top for everyone to keep in mind :)</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I'm quite sure that moving to a forum will increase the number of posts dramatically — but it also offers help to manage higher throughput:</div><div class="">- We could have one or more focus-topics for each release ("X is up next, other topics won't receive much attention from Core")</div><div class="">- With likes, there's an easy way to signal agreement to an opinion without flooding the ML. This could help Core to to find relevant input.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Looking forward to login ;-)</div><div class="">- Tino</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>