<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2017, at 12:34 AM, John McCall <<a href="mailto:rjmccall@apple.com" class="">rjmccall@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:22 AM, David Sweeris <<a href="mailto:davesweeris@mac.com" class="">davesweeris@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2017, at 12:18 AM, John McCall via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2017, at 1:08 AM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Paul Cantrell via swift-evolution<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div class="">I support everything Jon wrote.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">+1 Free-for-all brainstorming venue separate from focused proposal discussion.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">+1, particularly for this being a section in Discourse ;-)</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You posted this with a wink, but I think it's actually quite important. I see some value in having a "sounding board" area where people can talk through ideas that maybe aren't anywhere close to proposal yet</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">FWIW, I’ve had a few off-list discussions of that nature and found them to be incredibly valuable.</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I'm certainly not trying to discourage anyone from having off-list discussions. Have a conversation whenever and wherever it strikes you. But I do think it would be really unfortunate to try to set somewhere else up as a permanent alternative venue.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Oh! I was unclear… The discussions themselves were what’s valuable. The only reason they were off-list was to avoid spamming the list with premature ideas. Given the choice, I’d prefer to have them in an official “off-topic”/“sounding board”/whatever area.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- Dave Sweeris</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>