<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>What if instead of a FIFO queue, we had a reddit style queue where proposals can bubble up based on community interest? It might help us figure out what to focus on in the 'phase 2' times where we allow a few out of scope proposals through... we just grab a couple off of the top.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Jon</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 12, 2017, at 11:18 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 12, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Paul Cantrell via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Perhaps the solution is not necessarily throttling proposals per se, but having some mechanism for routing a proposal to something other than either a review cycle or the freezer: “this needs manifesto-ing,” “this needs prototyping to measure impact on existing code,” “this needs to simmer and find its context before we work it into a proposal,” etc. (That’s related to Daryle’s original message.)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I feel like I’m missing some part of the motivation for this thread. Let me try to explain why:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Lets say you’re interested in proposing a new feature or idea today, and are told that it is out of scope. One of two things happen. When the next release comes around, either:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1) if you’re still engaged with swift-evolution, you can bring it back up.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2) if you’re not still engaged, it will get dropped unless someone else is interested in championing it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What good does a “queue” of proposals in the freezer do? In practice, getting a proposal to happen frequently requires editing and iteration, not to mention active discussion about motivation. We have no shortage of important proposals to get through in each release, why should we make it easier for proposals with no active proponent? Wouldn’t that just encourage people to drop off “drive-by” proposals for ideas?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>swift-evolution mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>