<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 8 Jun 2017, at 11:17, Gwendal Roué via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 8 juin 2017 à 19:40, Brent Royal-Gordon via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p style="margin: 15px 0px; -webkit-margin-before: 0px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Well please no:</p><p style="margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">
<code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>let fn2: ((Int, Int)) -> Void = { lhs, rhs in }<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></code></p><p style="margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Instead use destructuring sugar pitched by Chris Lattner on the other thread:</p><p style="margin: 15px 0px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><code style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, 'Liberation Mono', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10pt; border-top-left-radius: 3px; border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-right-radius: 3px; border-bottom-left-radius: 3px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: inherit; border: 1px solid rgb(234, 234, 234); margin: 0px 2px; padding: 0px 5px; word-break: normal; word-wrap: normal; -webkit-margin-before: 0px;" class="">let fn2: ((Int, Int)) -> Void = { ((lhs, rhs)) in }</code></p></div></blockquote></div><div class="">I think this suggestion is better than the status quo. I'm wondering, though, if we should just drop the outer set of parentheses entirely, unless you're also putting types on the parameters. That is, a closure of type `(Int, Int) -> T` can look like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>{ (x: Int, y: Int) in … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or it can look like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>{ x, y in … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it *cannot* look like this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>{ (x, y) in … }</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The `(x, y)` form can instead be a closure of a type like `((Int, Int)) -> T`, which immediately destructures the tuple parameter into separate constants.</div><br class=""><div class="">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; line-height: normal; border-spacing: 0px;"><div class=""><div style="font-size: 12px; " class="">-- </div><div style="font-size: 12px; " class="">Brent Royal-Gordon</div><div style="font-size: 12px; " class="">Architechies</div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There's a difference, in the mind of people here that try to show how bad were the recent changes, between:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1: closures defined independently</div><div class="">2: closures given as a parameter to a function.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that we all agree that the type of a closure that is defined independently should be well defined:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">// Choose between (Int, Int) -> () or ((x: Int, y: Int)) -> ()</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> a = { (x: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, y: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> ... }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> b = { ((x: Int, y: Int)) -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> ... }</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div><div class="">However, when a closure is given as an argument of a function that expects a closure, we ask for the maximum possible flexibility, as Swift 3 did:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> wantsTwoArguments(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">_</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> closure: (</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) { closure(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">1</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">2</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsTwoArguments</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { a, b </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> a + b }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsTwoArguments</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { (a, b) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> a + b }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsTwoArguments</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { t </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> t.</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> + t.</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">1</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> } </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #008400" class="">// OK, maybe not</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> wantsATupleArgument(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">_</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> closure: ((</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)) -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) { closure((</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">1</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">2</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)) }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsATupleArgument</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { a, b </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> a + b }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsATupleArgument</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { (a, b) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> a + b }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsATupleArgument</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { t </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> t.</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">0</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> + t.</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">1</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> wantsANamedTupleArgument(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">_</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> closure: ((lhs: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, rhs: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)) -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) { closure((lhs: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">1</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, rhs: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #272ad8" class="">2</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)) }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">wantsANamedTupleArgument</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> { a, b </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> a + b }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">wantsANamedTupleArgument</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> { (a, b) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> a + b }</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #31595d" class="">wantsANamedTupleArgument</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> { t </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> t.lhs + t.rhs }</span></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><b class="">This gives us the ability to deal with unfitted function signatures.</b> For example, most Dictionary methods. Yes, they are usually unfitted:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(112, 61, 170);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">extension</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Dictionary</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=""> {</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">func</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> forEach(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">_</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> body: ((key: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Key</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, value: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Value</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">throws</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> -> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Void</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">) </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">rethrows</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Who cares about this named (key:value:) tuple? Absolutely nobody, as exemplified by this remarquable Swift 3 snippet below, where no tuple, no `key`, and no `value` is in sight:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">let</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> scores: [</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">String</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">: </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #703daa" class="">Int</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">] = ... </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #008400" class="">// [playerName: score]</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> scores.forEach { name, score </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #ba2da2" class="">in</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #3e1e81" class="">print</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">name</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">): </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">\</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">(</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">score</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #d12f1b" class="">)"</span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> }</span></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="">Do you see?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>This post is the one that makes most sense to me! Be strict on definition but flexible on use.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Gwendal</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>