<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 7, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Gwendal Roué via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">So far, the answer to the ergonomics regression reports have been much too often negative. I wish ergonomics had better support in the community. Very few regular developers talk here, unfortunately.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><div class="">Yes, I unfortunately agree. The best term I have heard to describe this list is “Combative”.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wish actual user experience / human factors was a greater consideration here, and that often requires little touches that are immediately dismissed from this list as being not-significant/important enough. But those little touches add up to make the overall experience… and our experience has been suffering as a result.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t mean to offend, and I feel like I am learning a lot from everyone here (I am an experienced mac/iOS developer, but I mainly work as a designer and teacher). I just really wish the list was more open to a range of voices. </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Jon</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>