<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Jon Shier via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> </span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I’m not a language or memory expert, so I think the proposal could use a few more examples of the code it would disallow. Perhaps examples from real world projects? Without being an expert I’m having a hard time seeing the full impact of the proposed rules. </span></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>We hope that there will not be any widespread examples from real-world projects that run afoul of the rule. If the examples seem a little contrived, that's good; we believe the rule is almost always already followed.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Also, the @exclusivity syntax doesn’t seem fully defined. Is there a @exclusivity(checked) counterpart?</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, which would be the default (on class properties and global variables).</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Would subclasses be allowed to mark inherited properties more or less strictly?</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>No. The rule has to be established by the place which creates the storage.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Also, is the logic for @ attributes and keyword attributes documented anywhere? Otherwise it seems like exclusive / nonexclusive would be an option.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>The guidelines about when to use an @ attribute and when to use a keyword attribute are always a bit uncertain, but in this case I think they clearly point us towards an @ attribute. This is an attribute which opts in to unsafe behavior for performance reasons; it is not expected to be important enough to warrant a keyword.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>John.</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Jon</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 2, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Ben Cohen via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;"><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 15px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin-top: 0px !important;">Hello Swift community,</p><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="" style="font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">The review of SE-0176: "</span><font face="-apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif" class="">Enforce Exclusive Access to Memory"</font><span class="" style="font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"> begins now and runs through May 8, 2017.</span></p><div class=""><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The proposal is available here:</p><div class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md</a></div></div><div class=""><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All reviews should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at:</p><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></p><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the review manager. </p><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">When replying, please try to keep the proposal link at the top of the message:</p><blockquote class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; border-left-width: 4px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(221, 221, 221); padding: 0px 15px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><h3 id="toc_0" class="" style="color: rgb(119, 119, 119); font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; -webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: text; position: relative; font-size: 18px;">Proposal link:</h3><div class=""><font color="#777777" face="-apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif" class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md</a></font></div><div class=""><h3 id="toc_1" class="" style="color: rgb(119, 119, 119); font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; -webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 20px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: text; position: relative; font-size: 18px;"><div class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Reply text</div><div class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><br class=""></div><blockquote class="" style="font-weight: normal; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 16px; padding: 0px 1em; color: rgb(106, 115, 125); border-left-width: 0.25em; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(223, 226, 229); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px;"><div class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Other replies</div></blockquote></h3><h5 class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 24px; margin-bottom: 16px; font-size: 0.875em; line-height: 1.25; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol';"><a id="user-content-what-goes-into-a-review-1" class="anchor" href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution#what-goes-into-a-review-1" aria-hidden="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: objects; color: rgb(3, 102, 214); text-decoration: none; float: left; padding-right: 4px; margin-left: -20px; line-height: 1;"><svg aria-hidden="true" class="octicon octicon-link" height="16" version="1.1" viewBox="0 0 16 16" width="16"><path fill-rule="evenodd" d="M4 9h1v1H4c-1.5 0-3-1.69-3-3.5S2.55 3 4 3h4c1.45 0 3 1.69 3 3.5 0 1.41-.91 2.72-2 3.25V8.59c.58-.45 1-1.27 1-2.09C10 5.22 8.98 4 8 4H4c-.98 0-2 1.22-2 2.5S3 9 4 9zm9-3h-1v1h1c1 0 2 1.22 2 2.5S13.98 12 13 12H9c-.98 0-2-1.22-2-2.5 0-.83.42-1.64 1-2.09V6.25c-1.09.53-2 1.84-2 3.25C6 11.31 7.55 13 9 13h4c1.45 0 3-1.69 3-3.5S14.5 6 13 6z"></path></svg></a></h5></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><h3 id="toc_2" class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 20px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; cursor: text; position: relative; font-size: 18px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">What goes into a review?</h3><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of Swift. When writing your review, here are some questions you might want to answer in your review:</p><ul class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; padding-left: 30px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><li class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;">What is your evaluation of the proposal?</li><li class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;">Is the problem being addressed significant enough to warrant a change to Swift?</li><li class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;">Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift?</li><li class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;">If you have used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?</li><li class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 0px;">How much effort did you put into your review? A glance, a quick reading, or an in-depth study?</li></ul><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">More information about the Swift evolution process is available at:</p><p class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; margin: 15px 0px; font-family: -apple-system-body, Helvetica, arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/process.md" class="" style="-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact; color: rgb(65, 131, 196);">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/process.md</a></p></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Ben Cohen</div><div class="">Review Manager</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">swift-evolution mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>