<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Mostly as a matter of historical interest:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The hard-coding of collection operators for KVC in Cocoa was more of a scope of documentation or API style decision than anything. The original implementation of KVC came from Enterprise Objects Framework (which then became WebObjects), and in both of those frameworks collection operators could be added just by implementing correctly named category methods on NSArray/NSSet. I.e. the implementation of valueForKeyPath: constructed a selector from the part following the ‘@‘ and checked to see if it existed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>- Greg</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 6, 2017, at 9:46 PM, John McCall via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div style="" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I'm not seriously endorsing this exact spelling. It would be much better to be able to write something like:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> \Department.employees.sum(of: \.salary)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">However, since "sum" would presumably be a method on Collection, I think this would have to be a future extension to the proposal, and the overall thing might have to be a function rather than a key path because it would no longer have identity.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Also, I do feel obliged to note that AppKit/Cocoa's "very expressive" way of doing this is a small number of hard-coded operators, whereas even the kindof-unfortunate subscript trick would be arbitrarily extensible.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">John.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">Thanks.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">...<br class=""><br class="">\Department.employees[summing: \.salary]<br class=""><br class="">That's not actually a good name for the subscript, but maybe there's one out there.<br class=""><br class="">John.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Also, in this example:<br class=""><br class="">let firstFriendsNameKeyPath = \Person.friends[0].name<br class="">let firstFriend = luke[keyPath: firstFriendsNameKeyPath] // "Han Solo"<br class=""><br class="">Can't we do without the keyPath: argument name? The compiler knows it's a keypath, it would be nicer to write<br class=""><br class="">let firstFriend = luke[firstFriendsNameKeyPath] // "Han Solo"<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Apr 5, 2017, at 16:56 , Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hello Swift community,<br class=""><br class="">The second review of SE-0161 "Smart KeyPaths: Better Key-Value Coding for Swift" begins now and runs through April 9, 2017. The revised proposal is available here:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0161-key-paths.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0161-key-paths.md</a><br class="">The core team’s feedback from the first review of this proposal can be viewed at:<br class=""><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution-announce/2017-April/000342.html<br class="">Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All reviews should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at<br class=""><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class="">or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the review manager. When replying, please try to keep the proposal link at the top of the message:<br class=""><br class="">Proposal link:<br class=""><br class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0161-key-paths.md<br class="">Reply text<br class="">Other replies<br class="">What goes into a review?<br class=""><br class="">The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of Swift. 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