<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><ul class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><li class="" style="box-sizing: border-box;">What is your evaluation of the proposal?</li></ul></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>Strong -1. Just rename ‘fileprivate’ to be less annoying.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This proposal will make things even worse than they are currently. We will regret it just as much, if not more than, 0025. As others have mentioned, it is actively harmful:</div><div class="">• It once again changes the meaning of private</div><div class="">• It takes away most of the actual power of private (vs fileprivate). (I was for returning to the simpler Swift 2 access, but when I did use private, I used it to limit access to just a few lines of code. This proposal gets rid of the last ounce of usefulness of ‘private’ for me, and only has the virtue of a less annoying name).</div><div class="">• It is the camel’s nose in the tent for type-based access (people will ask for future versions to be available in the type in the submodule, module, and then public… but we will be unable to give it to them)</div><div class="">• It breaks the same code that 0159 would have broken</div><div class="">• It will be a nightmare to teach/learn</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, the idea that we should limit the use of ‘fileprivate’ is incorrect. Fileprivate is the best access levels for a lot of cases, it just has an annoying name. Given our constraints, I now believe the only sane choice left to us is to make fileprivate easier to use (as opposed to making private more like it) and to get rid of the cognitive dissonance of having similar names/concepts by renaming ‘fileprivate’ to something like ‘local’. ‘fileprivate’ (whatever it is called) should be the soft-default. ‘private’ should be the one being used explicitly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We are likely going to have to rename ‘fileprivate’ anyway to work with submodules (that or add another access level), and ‘local’ has connotations of visible nearby… so I think it works well enough.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><ul class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><li class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;">Is the problem being addressed significant enough to warrant a change to Swift?</li></ul></div></blockquote><div class="">Yes, access controls are a mess… but this will make them more of a mess.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><ul class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><li class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;">Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift?</li></ul></div></blockquote><div class="">No.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><ul class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><li class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;">If you have used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?</li></ul></div></blockquote><div class="">No. I have used languages with type-based private, and I have used languages with file-based private… but never type-based that was limited to a file. You got shrimp in my chocolate (not all great tastes go well together).</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><ul class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; padding-left: 2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><li class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;">How much effort did you put into your review? A glance, a quick reading, or an in-depth study?</li></ul></div></blockquote><div class="">I have followed the discussion closely and spent a great deal of time thinking about it.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Jon</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>