<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 3, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Nevin Brackett-Rozinsky via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I am greatly disappointed by this decision. The existence of the keyword “fileprivate” is an unfortunate blemish which never should have been brought into existence. In my view, the churn caused by renaming “private” last year was a major mistake, and we should correct it immediately.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I agree that we shouldn't have done it, but:</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="">I hope the core team will reconsider the spelling change to “private” and “scoped”.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>We won't.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>John.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nevin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;" class="">Proposal Link: <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0159-fix-private-access-levels.md" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/<wbr class="">apple/swift-evolution/blob/<wbr class="">master/proposals/0159-fix-<wbr class="">private-access-levels.md</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The review of ran from March 20...27, 2017. The proposal has been *rejected*.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The core team had a lengthy discussion of this proposal as well as related ideas that came up during (and prior to) the review [*].</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0159-fix-private-access-levels.md" target="_blank" class="">SE-0159</a> specifically sought to revert the main user-facing part of <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0025-scoped-access-level.md" target="_blank" class="">SE-0025</a>, which gave “private” lexical-scoping semantics and introduced “fileprivate”. The core team felt that there was sufficient evidence that more-restrictive-than-<wbr class="">fileprivate access control is in use within the Swift community and in established patterns, such that it would be harmful to remove the functionality introduced by <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0025-scoped-access-level.md" target="_blank" class="">SE-0025</a> at this point.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The core team discussed the idea of renaming to keywords that was brought up in the thread as a way to address many of the concerns raised in <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0159-fix-private-access-levels.md" target="_blank" class="">SE-0159</a> while providing the same language semantics. Specifically:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="m_5795448391054527487Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span>* “private” -> “scoped”</div><div class=""><span class="m_5795448391054527487Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span>* “fileprivate” -> “private”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The core team determined that such a change, while (technically) easy to automatically migrate, would introduce far too much churn in Swift code bases moving from Swift 3 to Swift 4, compromising the source stability goals set out for Swift 4.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Finally, the core team discussed a different potential design for “private” that admits a limited form of type-based access control within files. We will open a separate discussion thread on Swift Evolution, with the subject "Type-based ‘private’ access within a file", and are seeking further discussion there and a motivated volunteer to turn it into a new proposal for Swift 4.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Doug Gregor</div><div class="">Review Manager</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[*] Big thanks to Alex Martini for his excellent notes.</div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.swift.org/<wbr class="">mailman/listinfo/swift-<wbr class="">evolution</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">swift-evolution mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>