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<p>I must admit that’s a very interesting approach, however to me
it feels like <code>fileprivate</code> will be a really small
upgrade to <code>private</code> when you actually need it. Plus you
could almost do everything with <code>fileprivate</code> instead of
<code>private</code>. As Carlie Monroe said it will create a new
source for confusion.</p>
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<p class="airmail_on">Am 3. April 2017 um 20:35:05, Douglas Gregor
via swift-evolution (<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>)
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<div><span>Hello Swift Community,</span>
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<div class=""><span>In rejecting <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0159-fix-private-access-levels.md" class="">SE-0159</a>, the core team described a potential direction
we would like to investigate for “private” access control that
admits a limited form of type-based access control within files.
The core team is seeking some discussion here and a motivated
volunteer to put together a proposal along these lines for review
in the Swift 4 time-frame (i.e., very soon). To be clear, the core
team it’s sure this is the right direction to go… but it appears
promising and we would *love* to be able to settle the
access-control issue.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span>The design, specifically, is that a “private”
member declared within a type “X” or an extension thereof would be
accessible from:</span></div>
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<div class=""><span><br class=""></span></div>
<div class=""><span>* An extension of “X” in the same
file</span></div>
<div class=""><span>* The definition of “X”, if it occurs in the
same file</span></div>
<div class=""><span>* A nested type (or extension thereof) of one
of the above that occurs in the same file</span></div>
<div class=""><span><br class=""></span></div>
<div class=""><span>This design has a number of apparent
benefits:</span></div>
<div class=""><span>+ “private” becomes the right default for
“less than whole module” visibility, and aligns well with Swift
coding style that divides a type’s definition into a number of
extensions.</span></div>
<div class=""><span>+ “fileprivate” remains for existing use cases,
but now it’s use it more rare, which has several
advantages:</span></div>
<div class=""><span>+ It fits well with the "progressive
disclosure” philosophy behind Swift: you can use
public/internal/private for a while before encountering and having
to learn about “fileprivate” (note: we thought this was
going to be true of <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0025-scoped-access-level.md" class="">SE-0025</a>, but we were clearly wrong)</span></div>
<div class=""><span>+ When “fileprivate” occurs, it means there’s
some interesting coupling between different types in the same file.
That makes fileprivate a useful alert to the reader rather than,
potentially, something that we routinely use and overlook so that
we can separate implementations into extensions.</span></div>
<div class=""><span>+ “private” is more closely aligned with other
programming languages that use type-based access control, which can
help programmers just coming to Swift. When they reach for
“private”, they’re likely to get something similar to what they
expect—with a little Swift twist due to Swift’s heavy use of
extensions.</span></div>
<div class=""><span>+ Loosening the access restrictions on
“private” is unlikely to break existing code.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span>There are likely some drawbacks:</span></div>
<div class=""><span>- Developers using patterns that depend on the
existing lexically-scoped access control of “private” may find this
new interpretation of “private” to be insufficiently
strict</span></div>
<div class=""><span>- Swift’s access control would go from
“entirely lexical” to “partly lexical and partly type-based”, which
can be viewed as being more complicated</span></div>
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<div class=""><span>Thoughts? Volunteer?</span></div>
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<div class=""><span>- Doug</span></div>
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