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<p>Something like a type- and type-alias when importing from Obj-C
to Swift?</p>
<p>That would be reasonable, I’d guess.</p>
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<p class="airmail_on">Am 30. März 2017 um 23:12:30, Louis D'hauwe
(<a href="mailto:louisdhauwe@silverfox.be">louisdhauwe@silverfox.be</a>)
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<div><span>I disagree, my proposal is not to rename Apple
frameworks. </span>
<div class=""><span>It is to improve the importing of Objective-C
designed frameworks to remove the unnecessary
prefixes.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span>On 30 Mar 2017, at 23:07, Adrian Zubarev
<<a href="mailto:adrian.zubarev@devandartist.com" class="">adrian.zubarev@devandartist.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<span>The issue is, this has nothing to do with swift evolution.
You could file a bug report for the Apple frameworks, but I doubt
something this huge will make it through.</span></p>
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<p class="airmail_on" style="margin: 15px 0px;"><span>Am 30. März
2017 um 23:03:52, Louis D'hauwe via swift-evolution (<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>) schrieb:</span></p>
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<span><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Apple frameworks contain prefixes, carried over from
Objective-C.</span></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">These
exist to prevent class and method name collisions.</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Mattt
Thompson has a great article about this, containing the following
brilliant excerpt:</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">"Namespacing is the preeminent bugbear of Objective-C. A
cosmetic quirk with global implications, the language’s lack of
identifier containers remains a source of prodigious quantities of
caremad for armchair language critics." (<a href="http://nshipster.com/namespacing/" class="" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;">http://nshipster.com/namespacing/</a>)</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Since
Swift can handle with these naming conflicts, wouldn't it make
sense to drop all framework prefixes in a Swift
environment?</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">A
classic example is UIKit, where all classes are prefixed with
"UI". </span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Code
example:</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
import UIKit</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
class FooViewController: UIViewController {</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
}</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Dropping the prefix would simply lead to the
following:</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
import UIKit</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
class FooViewController: ViewController {</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
}</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Since
conflicts need to be handled by specifying the module name, the
following could be used if "ViewController" was also used by either
some, other than UIKit, imported framework or by a user defined
class:</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
import UIKit</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
class FooViewController: UIKit.ViewController {</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
}</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">"UIKit.ViewController" is of course quite longer than the
current "UIViewController".</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">An
improvement could be to allow frameworks to specify an abbreviated
form.</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">UIKit
could define "UI" as its abbreviation, making the following code
valid:</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
import UI</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
class FooViewController: UI.ViewController {</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 14px;" class=""><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">
}</span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div>
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<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">This
all seems to me like a natural continuation of <a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/9cf2685293108ea3efcbebb7ee6a8618b83d4a90/proposals/0086-drop-foundation-ns.md" class="" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;">SE-0086</a>.</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I do
realise this would be a major change, breaking pretty much every
Swift iOS, macOS, tvOS and watchOS project.</span></div>
<div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">
<span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">But in
the long term, I think it's worth it.</span></div>
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