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<div><font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol"><span style="font-size: 16px;"><font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol"><span style="font-size: 16px;">I think it could stand to make a bit of a stronger case, but I am strongly in favor of the outcome. The introduction of fileprivate was disappointing to me when it happened, and I've yet to encounter a situation where it has been beneficial, but it has often been frustrating.</span></font></span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol"><span style="font-size: 16px;"><font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol"><span style="font-size: 16px;">I think so -- I believe that it's very important for this sort of fundamental language feature to be simple and pleasant to use. The tradeoffs that fileprivate makes in that regard feel pretty significant to me, and I don't think the additional level of control is of much benefit.</span></font></span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol">I would go as far as to say that scoped access control is harmful in that it promotes bad programming practices. If your file is large enough that there is value in protecting yourself from accessing certain parts of it, that file is almost certainly excessively large and difficult to follow.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol"><span style="font-size: 16px;">I believe that it does to the extent that Swift strives to avoid overburdening its users with low-value features.</span></font></div>
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<li class="" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;">If you have used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?</li>
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<font color="#24292E" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol"><span style="font-size: 16px;">I read the proposal fully and have been casually following much of the discussion on this topic.</span></font></div>
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On Mar 20, 2017, 16:54 -0700, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution , wrote:<br />
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<p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(36, 41, 46); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol'; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of Swift. When writing your review, here are some questions you might want to answer in your review:</p>
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<li style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">What is your evaluation of the proposal?</li>
<li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class="">Is the problem being addressed significant enough to warrant a change to Swift?</li>
<li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class="">Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift?</li>
<li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class="">If you have used other languages or libraries with a similar feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those?</li>
<li style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0.25em;" class="">How much effort did you put into your review? A glance, a quick reading, or an in-depth study?</li>
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