<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">Hi David & Dave</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">can you explain that in more detail?</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Wouldn’t that turn simple character access into a mutating function?</div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br class="">assigning like s[11…14] = str is of course, yes.</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">only then - that is if the character array thus has been changed - </div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">it has to update the string in storage, yes. </div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">but str = s[n..<m] doesn’t. mutate.</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">so you’d have to maintain keep (private) a isChanged: Bool or bit.</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">a checksum over the character array . </div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">?</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">Kind Regards</div><div class="" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium;">TedvG</div><div style=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 Feb 2017, at 22:40, Dave Abrahams <<a href="mailto:dabrahams@apple.com" class="">dabrahams@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="">Sent from my moss-covered three-handled family gradunza</div></div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">On Feb 23, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Ted F.A. van Gaalen <<a href="mailto:tedvgiosdev@gmail.com" class="">tedvgiosdev@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 23 Feb 2017, at 02:24, Dave Abrahams <<a href="mailto:dabrahams@apple.com" class="">dabrahams@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Equally a non-starter. All known threadsafe schemes that require caches to be updated upon non-mutating operations have horrible performance issues, and further this would penalize all string code by reserving space for the cache and filling it even for the vast majority of operations that don't require random access.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">Well, maybe “caching” is not the right description for what I've suggested.</div><div class="">It is more like:</div><div class=""> let all strings be stored as they are now, but as soon as you want to work with </div><div class="">random accessing parts of a string just “lift the string out of normal optimised string storage” </div><div class=""> and then add (temporarily) a Character array so one can work with this array directly ” </div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">That's a cache.</span><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">which implies that all other strings remain as they are. ergo: efficiency </div><div class="">is only reduced for the “elevated” strings,</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You have to add that temporary array somewhere. The performance of every string is penalized for that storage, and also for the cost of throwing it out upon mutation. Every branch counts. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Using e.g. str.freeSpace(), if necessary, would then place the String back </div><div class="">in its normal storage domain, thereby disposing the Character array</div><div class="">associated with it. </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Avoiding hidden dynamic storage overhead that needs to be freed is an explicit goal of the design (see the section on String and Substring).<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Trust me, we've gotten lots of such suggestions and thought through the implications of each one very carefully. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">That’s good, because it means, that a lot of people are interested in this subject and wish to help. </div><div class="">Of course you’ll get many of suggestions that might not be very useful, </div><div class="">perhaps like this one... but sometimes suddenly someone </div><div class="">comes along with things that might never have occurred to you. </div><div class="">That is the beautiful nature of ideas…</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>But at some point, I hope you'll understand, I also have to say that I think all the simple schemes have been adequately explored and the complex ones all seem to have this basic property of relying on caches, which has unacceptable performance, complexity, and, yes, usability costs. Analyzing and refuting each one in detail begins to be a waste of time after that. I'm not really willing to go further down this road unless someone has an implementation and experimental evidence that demonstrates it as non-problematic. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">I'm afraid you will have to accept being disappointed about this. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class="">Well, like most developers, I am a stubborn kind of guy.. </div><div class="">Luckily Swift is very flexible like Lego, so I rolled my own convenience struct.</div><div class="">If I need direct access on a string I simply copy the string to it.</div><div class="">it permits things like this: (and growing) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> strabc =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">"abcdefghjiklmnopqrstuvwxyz"</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> strABC =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">"ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">var</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>abc =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">strabc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">var</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ABC =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">strABC</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"></span><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">func</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>test()</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">{</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// as in Basic: left$, mid$, right$</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">left</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">5</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">))</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">mid</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">5</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">,</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">10</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">))</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">ABC</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">mid</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">5</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">))</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">ABC</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">right</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">5</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">))</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// ranges and concatenation:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">12</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">..<</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">23</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">left</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">5</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">+</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">ABC</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">mid</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">6</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">,</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">6</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">+</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">10</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">...</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">25</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// eat anything:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>d:</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(112, 61, 170);">Double</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">-3.14159</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(d))</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>n:</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(112, 61, 170);">Int</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">1234</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(n))</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">1234.56789</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">))</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>str =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">15</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">..<</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">17</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">asString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// Copy to to normal Swift String</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(str)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(186, 45, 162);">let</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>s =<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);">"</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">\</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">12</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">..<</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">20</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);">)"</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// interpolate to normal Swift String.</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(s)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">3</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">..<</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">5</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);">"34"</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// if lengths don't match:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">8</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">...</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">9</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">ABC</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">24</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">...</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">25</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// length of dest. string is altered.</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">12</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);">"$$$$"</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// if src l > 1 will insert remainder after dest.12 here</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(0, 132, 0);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">14</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>=<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">TGString</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(209, 47, 27);">""</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">// empty removes character at pos.</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">.</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">insert</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(at:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">3</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">, string:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">ABC</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">[</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">0</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">..<</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(39, 42, 216);">3</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);">]</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(62, 30, 129);">print</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">(</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(79, 129, 135);">abc</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">}</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; min-height: 21px;" class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; color: rgb(49, 89, 93);"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">test</span><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">()</span></div></div><div class="">.</div><div class="">outputs: </div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">abcde</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">fghjiklmno</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">FGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">VWXYZ</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">mnopqrstuvw</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">abcdeGHIJKLklmnopqrstuvwxyz</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">-3.14159</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">1234</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">1234.56789</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">abcdefghjiklmnopqrstuvwxyz</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">mnopqrst</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">abc34fghYZkl$$$$nopqrstuvwxyz</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">abcABC34fghYZkl$$$$nopqrstuvwxyz</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="">kinda hoped that this could be builtin in Swift strings </div><div class="">Anyway, I’ve made myself what I wanted, which happily co-exists</div><div class="">alongside normal Swift strings. Performance and storage</div><div class="">aspects of my struct TGString are not very important, because</div><div class="">I am not using this on thousands of strings.</div><div class="">Simply want to use a string as a plain array, that’s all, </div><div class="">which is implemented in almost every PL on this planet. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">More generally, there's a reason that the collection model has bidirectional and random access distinctions: important data structures are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">inherently</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>not random access.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div></blockquote>I don’t understand the above line: definition of “important data structures” <> “inherently” </div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Important data structures are those from the classical CS literature upon which every practical programming language (and even modern CPU hardware) is based, e.g. hash tables. Based on the properties of modern string processing, strings fall into the same category. "Inherent" means that performance characteristics are tied to the structure of the data or problem being solved. You can't sort in better than O(N log N) worst case (mythical quantum computers don't count here), and that's been proven mathematically. Similarly it's easy to prove that the constraints of our problem mean that counting the characters in a string will always be O(N) worst case where N is the length of the representation. That means strings are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">inherently</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>not random access.</div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Heroic attempts to present the illusion that they are randomly-accessible are not going to fly.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div></blockquote> ?? Accessing discrete elements directly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>All collections have direct access via indices. You mean randomly, via arbitrary integers. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">in an array is not an illusion to me. </div><div class="">(e.g. I took the 4th and 7th eggs from the container) <br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>It's not an illusion when they're stored in an array. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">If you have to walk down an aisle of differently sized cereal boxes to pick the 5th box of SuperBoomCrisp Flakes off the shelf in the grocery store, that's not random access (even if you're willing to drop the boxes into an array for later lookups as you go, as you're proposing). <i class="">That's</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>what Strings are like. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">These abstractions always break down, leaking the true non-random-access nature in often unpredictable ways, penalizing lots of code for the sake of a very few use-cases, and introducing complexity that is hard for the optimizer to digest and makes it painful (sometimes impossible) to grow and evolve the library. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote>Is an Array an abstraction? of what?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>A randomly-accessible homogeneous tail growable collection. But the abstraction in question here isn't Array; it's RandomAccessCollection. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">I don’t get this either. most components in the real world can be accessed randomly. </div></blockquote><br class=""><div class="">Actually that's far from being true in the real world. See the grocery store above. Computer memory is very unlike most things in the real world. Ask any roboticist.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">This should be seen as a general design philosophy:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Swift presents abstractions that harmonize with, rather than hide, the true nature of things</i>.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">The true nature of things is a very vague and subjective criterium,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Not at all; see my explanation above.</div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">how can you harmonise with that, let alone with abstractions? </div><div class="">e.g. for me: “the true nature of things” for an array is that it has direct accessible discrete elements…</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Arrays definitely support random access. Strings are not arrays.</div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Sorry, with respect, we have a difference of opinion here.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>That's fine. Please don't be offended that I don't wish to argue it further. It's been an interesting exercise while I'm on vacation and I hoped it would lay out some general principles that would be useful to others in future even if you are not convinced, but when I get back to work next week I'll have to focus on other things. </div><div style="font-family: Avenir-Medium; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Thanks btw for the link to this article about tagged pointers, very interesting.</div><div class="">it inspired me to (have) read other things in this domain as well. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">TedvG</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>