<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 20 Feb 2017, at 16:43, Matthew Johnson <<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:31 AM, David Hart via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 20 Feb 2017, at 00:52, Tony Arnold via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 20 Feb 2017, at 06:25, Jose Cheyo Jimenez via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">We need more examples to make this case. <br class=""></blockquote><br class="">How do we provide those examples? This thread has been actively discussed for close to a week now, so it would be good to do something concrete about it. I think Chris’ second suggestion fits my idea of a reasonable “Default” level of privacy when starting out, and fits the model of progressive disclosure as you so excellently pointed out.<br class=""><br class="">Is this something that should go through a proper Proposal? Is someone doing this already? I’d like to help/contribute if it is.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Chris' second suggestion was dropped by Chris himself after we discussed the disadvantages it adds. I am already working on a proposal to revert to Swift 2's private and it should be ready soon. <br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Since you’re already drafting a proposal I will not draft the one I was thinking of.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>My proposal will represent my point of view (only one file-based private), but I am mentioning your suggestions in the <b class="">Alternatives considered</b> section to open debate during vote and so that the core team can decide amongst multiple alternatives.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>By the way, do you want to send me part of your proposal so I can copy/paste some of your arguments in the <b class="">Alternatives considered</b> section?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’d be better if the proposal represented well the different community opinions :)</div><div><br class=""></div><div>David.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">thanks,<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Tony<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------<br class="">Tony Arnold<br class="">+61 411 268 532<br class=""><a href="http://thecocoabots.com/" class="">http://thecocoabots.com/</a><br class=""><br class="">ABN: 14831833541<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class="">swift-evolution@swift.org<br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">swift-evolution mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a><br class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>