<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Dave,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 18, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I'm on vacation and don't have time for a full review right now, but I am concerned that wild this proposal would make enums more<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">general and </span>uniform with the rest of the language , they also would become much more awkward for common use cases. I have recently been very pleased that I didn't have to supply labels in switch statements where the label name would simply have matched the name of the variable to be bound. This looks needlessly verbose:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""> case .valid(value: let value, resumptionPoint: let resumptionPoint):</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I cannot imagine a real life use case where one would have labels in the case and desire to bind associated values to variables having different names than the labels<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The degraded authoring experience is a legitimate concern. Here’s my attempt to make it *seems* better:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>1. Perhaps it’d be a good style to treat labels similar to argument labels and variables in patterns as argument names:</div><div><br class=""></div><div> case let .value(validated: value, resumingAt: point) // or more descriptive variable names, depends on usage</div><div><br class=""></div><div>We’ve came to expect some repetition between a argument label and its name, so typing a few more characters for the label in patterns shouldn’t seem totally bad, maybe. From a code reader's point of view, especially for those who haven’t seen the case declaration, more labels should be an easy win.</div><div><div><br class=""></div><div>2. The creator of the enum dictates style at use site. When one prefers no not have labels, they can use comments as documentation at the declaration.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>***</div><div><br class=""></div><div>That being said, the idea of matching without field name appeals to me because I’m used to it from other languages.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Secondly, I can't imagine a case where one would want to use the same case basename and different labels. The very common use case where the types of associated values completely distinguish the case and one would rather not have to supply a case name at all is completely unaddressed. If my quick read is not mistaken, this proposal makes it legal for cases to have different<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">complete names</i> (including base name and labels), but doesn't make it legal to have the same full name (which I would love to be "_" or missing in some cases) with different associated value types. If we were truly following the precedent set by function signatures, wouldn't that be possible too?</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Love it. I think this should be part of this proposal. (man, if you squint, those cases named “_" make the whole declaration look like a C union).</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="">Sent from my moss-covered three-handled family gradunza</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">On Feb 17, 2017, at 5:26 PM, John McCall <<a href="mailto:rjmccall@apple.com" class="">rjmccall@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="">Hello Swift community,<br class=""><br class="">The review of "SE-0155: Normalize Enum Case Representation" begins now and runs through next Friday, February 26th. The proposal is available here:<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><a href="https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0155-normalize-enum-case-representation.md" class="">https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0155-normalize-enum-case-representation.md</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All reviews should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution</a></div><div class="">or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the review manager. 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