Although there was willingness to depart from conventions in other C-style languages, I believe it was decided that having a counterpart to other languages' "private" that isn't named private *and* also a "private" that isn't a counterpart to other languages' "private" was too idiosyncratic and actively confusing.<br><br>If I recall, the proposal as submitted for core team review actually proposed something like you suggest, and it was the core team that decided to change it on review.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 16:36 Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="gmail_msg">
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Brent Royal-Gordon via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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>> Personally I feel enforced encapsulation of implementation detail to the latter group is less important than the former, and can be handled by convention. Whereas other users of your module definitely benefit from access control and being able to consume a clearly-defined interface.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> I think failing to provide some sort of below-`internal` privacy would be missing *really* low-hanging fruit for no good reason. The languages I can think of which don't include some sort of sub-library-wide privacy level—Objective-C, Javascript, Perl, Python—usually have very simple object designs with a flat namespace. (Well, there's Rust, but Rust lets you wrap anything you'd like in a module.) Even Objective-C in practice includes a `fileprivate` equivalent in the form of methods declared only in the .m file.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> I also think it's often helpful to be able to change a member's access level without having to change all references to it. Publishing or privatizing an interface is not an uncommon refactoring.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> Not everybody likes our current semantics, but that's no reason to throw the feature out entirely.<br class="gmail_msg">
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+1. I’d like to see `private` revert to the Swift 2 meaning, and hopefully we can reconsider using `scoped` as the keyword for scoped access rather than abandoning it. Does anyone remember why this was considered a bad idea?<br class="gmail_msg">
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