<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Ted, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Today I learned about <a href="https://esdiscuss.org/" class="">https://esdiscuss.org/</a> which is like an archiver viewer for <a href="mailto:discuss@mozilla.org" class="">discuss@mozilla.org</a> pipermail mailing list </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All their code is at <a href="https://github.com/esdiscuss" class="">https://github.com/esdiscuss</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This still preserves pipermail as the one source of truth but it allows better searching and visibility.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is even a reply button which opens up a mail client presumably the correct headers. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Feb 9, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Matthew Johnson <<a href="mailto:matthew@anandabits.com" class="">matthew@anandabits.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Ted Kremenek <<a href="mailto:kremenek@apple.com" class="">kremenek@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" applecontenteditable="true" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" applecontenteditable="true" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class="">I’ve been mostly silent in this conversation largely because I didn’t realize it was leading up to a formal decision. I wish it would have followed the proposal process so it was clear to everyone that a decision was being considered and this was our chance to offer input. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">FWIW, I am not ignoring this thread. At some point there was diminishing signal on the thread, and it felt like the category of opinions that had been voiced had been vocalized on the thread. Looping in swift-users into that thread would have been a good thing to do in hindsight so more people felt like they had a chance to participate. Based on what I am seeing in reaction to this decision, however, I’m not seeing much new signal.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Just to add to this point — new insights on this topic are welcome, and will be paid attention to. The decision to change to a forum is because that was evaluated as being the best thing for the community, based on the range of opinions provided and the tradeoffs made. If there is something important that was missed, obviously that is not going to be ignored. We want to do the right thing. So far I still feel that moving to a forum software is the right choice, but I’d like to do that in a way that allows people to still participate effectively via email.</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Is there any way to have a trial run so we can evaluate the email experience of using the forum software before we make the final switch? I agree that this sounds like the right direction, but it’s hard to know what the email experience will really be like until we give it a try for a week or so.</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">I need to formalize a plan, but yes I’d like to trial this somehow. Nate Cook created a staged installation of Discourse when the thread on swift-evolution was happening and there was some useful telemetry out of that experiment (such as how rich text email interacted with doing inline replies). Moving to Discourse (or some alternate forum software if we decide Discourse is not a fit) would be a staged thing. The main question to me is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">how</i> do we do a meaningful trial without actually doing the real discussions in the forum (while the mailing lists are still running).</div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">swift-users mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>