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<div style="font-family:sans-serif"><div style="white-space:normal"><p dir="auto">FYI, Tony is the manager of the Foundation team. :)<br>
We care very much about making sure that the experience of using our framework is a positive one — the more Radars we get, the better we can prioritize improving APIs that are not working as well as they could be for our users. Even if the Radar gets duped to an existing one, thats one more +1 for that Radar saying "this is a problem".</p>
<p dir="auto">I will search for your old Radar, but in any case, please do file a new one about this, and about any other issues you have, because we are indeed listening.</p>
<p dir="auto">On 15 Feb 2017, at 10:41, Charles Srstka via swift-evolution wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div id="FF268B5C-71AA-481C-8335-48B405C54795"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Feb 15, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Tony Parker <<a href="mailto:anthony.parker@apple.com" class="">anthony.parker@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></blockquote><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi Charles,</span><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Have you happened to file a radar for Foundation that I can look up (for both this and process)?</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">We are working hard on making sure that our API is right for Swift, and areas like this where we can make fairly trivial improvements are things that we can try to prioritize. As you say, the purpose of swift-corelibs-foundation is to present a unified API and prevent the need to fork. That means the best possible solution is to improve the API in Objective-C (where exceptions-as-control flow is wrong too) first, and then naturally flow that into Swift.</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Thanks,</div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">- Tony</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Honestly? I don’t remember. I feel like I would have sometime around 2005 or 2006 or so, since that’s probably about when this first started bothering me, but it’s been a decade, so my memory is hazy. I do know that in the meantime, “considered harmful”-type articles have been written about these classes, like this one from eight years ago:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://mikeash.com/pyblog/friday-qa-2009-11-13-dangerous-cocoa-calls.html" class="">https://mikeash.com/pyblog/friday-qa-2009-11-13-dangerous-cocoa-calls.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you think it will actually prompt someone to change this, I’d be happy to write up a new one, although I figure it would almost certainly just get flagged as a duplicate.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote>
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