<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>On Feb 9, 2017, at 09:30, Matthew Johnson via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jens Alfke via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:41 AM, Jan Neumüller via swift-users <<a href="mailto:swift-users@swift.org" class="">swift-users@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Alegreya-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">I would prefer <a href="http://www.fudforum.org/" class="">http://www.fudforum.org/</a> that has good mailing list support, too.</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Well, we appear to have completely opposite opinions on UI/usability. I took a look at fudforum and yeah, to my eyes it exemplifies the awful clutter that’s been a hallmark of web forums since before PHPBB. There’s so much visual noise it’s very hard to parse or to find anything. Clearly designed by a coder with a big hammer named “<table>”. I’m not a UI designer, but I’ve worked extensively with UI designers (I spent 15 years at Apple working on stuff like iChat and AppleScript) so I think I have some grounding in the field.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do believe, though, that <b class="">whatever solution <a href="http://swift.org/" class="">swift.org</a> switches to needs to have good email support</b>. That way the people who hate the web UI, or who just don’t prefer to use the web for discussions, can keep using email as we do today. This is perfectly feasible to do; again, <a href="http://groups.io/" class="">groups.io</a> is a good example. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here my concern is that <b class="">I have not found a way to configure Discourse to make its email notifications work well as a substitute for a mailing list.</b> I have admin privileges on a Discourse installation run by my employer, so I’ve looked through the entire admin UI for ways to improve the emails, and some of the problems don’t seem fixable by tweaking settings.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At this point I’m going to shut up because it sounds like the decision has been made, and I don’t want to contribute to further bike-shedding.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I’ve been mostly silent in this conversation largely because I didn’t realize it was leading up to a formal decision. I wish it would have followed the proposal process so it was clear to everyone that a decision was being considered and this was our chance to offer input. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>I really like the experience of participating in the community via email. If I knew a decision was being seriously considered I would have taken a closer look at Discourse and likely offered more input. I will be disappointed if the experience of participating is not at least as good as it is using email.</div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>I'm pretty sure that Discourse's mailing list support is why so many people suggested it.</div><div><br></div><div>- Dave Sweeris</div></body></html>