<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>There will be discussions about each of the mailing lists on whether or not to move to Discourse. My preference is that all of the mailing lists move, but the needs of the different lists are slightly different and I didn't want to gate moving swift-evolution to a forum based on the outcome of those discussions. It is clear there is a real need that is solved by moving swift-evolution to a forum, and I want to get that moving. As it is, this will take some effort to make happen, and likely by that point we'll have settled what to do with the other mailing lists.</div><div><br></div><div>On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Muse M via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I don't see any discussions to have Swift Server Side shift to Discourse forum too?<div><br>On Thursday, February 9, 2017, James Hillhouse via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'll echo Nick and Joshuaβthanks Swift Core team for taking the time to decide on this change.<br>
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Rick Mann via swift-evolution <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'swift-evolution@swift.org')">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I second this praise. FWIW, I recently installed Discourse using a DigitalOcean droplet, and it couldn't have been easier. Upgrades are surprisingly easy, too.<br>
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> I have yet to figure out the email integration; I hope you can get that working.<br>
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> I also hope you give some effort to improving on the default Discourse look. It's not bad, but I feel like it doesn't do a good job of delineating functional areas on the page. Having said that, I'm more than happy to wait indefinitely for such an improvement; it's not worth holding up the roll-out.<br>
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> Thanks again!<br>
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>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 19:34 , Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'swift-evolution@swift.org')">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> πππππππ<br>
>> This is an awesome decision and a huge enhancement for the Swift community. Thanks (Core Team) for taking the time to entertain the discussion and move forward with what many community members have wanted.<br>
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>>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Ted kremenek via swift-evolution <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'swift-evolution@swift.org')">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> Hi everyone,<br>
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>>> There was a long thread on swift-evolution about whether we should use modern forum software β like Discourse β as an alternative to the mailing lists we have now. After a long discussion, the Core Team has decided to move swift-evolution and swift-users to Discourse.<br>
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>>> There are tradeoffs to moving to a forum. The main advantages are:<br>
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>>> - Easy for people to participate without subscribing to the entire mailing list, as well as no need to provide email address to participate. A lot of people have voiced concern that they feel resistance to participate because of needing to subscribe to a mailing list.<br>
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>>> - Consistent affordances and rendering of content, including Markdown support. This is really useful for having technical discussions.<br>
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>>> - Better searching of topics, archiving, etc.<br>
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>>> - More tools for moderation.<br>
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>>> - Topic cross-referencing, and consistent organization of topics instead of whatever threading support a mail client provides (which is inconsistent).<br>
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>>> I also want to consider moving the -dev lists to the same forum setup as well; but that will be a separate conversation on those lists.<br>
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>>> A rollout plan has not been figured out. People are busy and there are logistics to figure out. I will be engaging a handful of members from the community to help with the transition. Specifically, there are those who really value using email for participation on swift-evolution and swift-users, and the goal is to get the forum setup to allow those people to continue to feel effective when using email for discussions on these "lists".<br>
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>>> More details will be announced as they get figured out, but I felt it was important to let the community know about this direction.<br>
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>>> Ted<br>
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