<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Ted F.A. van Gaalen via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif" class="">I now assume that:</font></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif" class=""> 1. -= a “plain” Unicode character (codepoint?) can result in one glyph.=-</font></div></div></blockquote><br class="">What do you mean by “plain”? Characters in some Unicode scripts are by no means “plain”. They can affect (and be affected by) the characters around them, they can cause glyphs around them to rearrange or combine (like ligatures) or their visual representation (glyph) may float in the same space as an adjacent glyph (and seem to be part of the “host” glyph), etc. So, the general relationship of a character and its corresponding glyph (if there is one) is complex and depends on context and surroundings characters.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif" class=""> 2. -= a grapheme cluster always results in just a single glyph, true? =- </font></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>False</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif" class=""> 3. The only thing that I can see on screen or print are glyphs (“carvings”,visual elements that stand on their own )</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>The visible effect might not be a visual shape. It may be for example, the way the surrounding shapes change or re-arrange.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif" class=""> 4. In this context, a glyph is a humanly recognisable visual form of a character,</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Not in a straightforward one to one fashion, not even in Latin / Roman script.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif;"> 5. On this level (the glyph, what I can see as a user) it is not relevant and also not detectable</span></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif;"> with how many Unicode scalars (codepoints ?), grapheme, or even on what kind</span></div><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family: sans-serif;"> of encoding the glyph was based upon.</span></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div>False<div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>