<html><body><div id="edo-message"><div>My complaint is really that these discussions have been good on for a year and we seem to get in to cyclical debates on how it *might* be, but I'd like to see us make a serious effort to try it.<style>#edo-signature img {max-width: 90%}</style><div id="edo-signature" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue','Helvetica',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font:'-apple-system-body';"></div></div><div><br></div><div>There are some really big discussions happening right now (e.g. the String model), and many more really big design discussions to be had in the near future (pattern matching, property behaviours, you name it...).</div><div><br></div><div>I think the best part of Swift is that it isn't standardised and isn't yet entirely fleshed-out. That means the people who use it every day have a way to learn about the design philosophy behind certain features, and to suggest meaningful and practical changes based on their experience. We're undercutting all of that by making it so awkward for people to get engaged.</div><div><br></div><div>It's at least worth a beta test.</div><div><br></div><div>- Karl</div></div><div id="edo-original"><div><br><br><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:1ex 0 0 0;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:0.5ex;"><div>On Feb 2, 2017 at 10:45 pm, <<a href="mailto:dabrahams@apple.com">Dave Abrahams</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><pre><br>
<br>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Karl Wagner <razielim@gmail.com> wrote:
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<br>> somebody build a parallel site to support the style of open community which the core-team seem unwilling/unable to do.
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<br>I don't think this is fair. We may not be moving as quickly as you'd like but we are looking into it.
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<br>Sent from my moss-covered three-handled family gradunza
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