<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">This seems to contradict Swift’s goal of being <a href="https://swift.org/about/" class="">safe by default</a>, no? It would make me incredibly uncomfortable if there were a backdoor in DI, even if that backdoor emitted traps when it fails.</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 28, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Victor Petrescu via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hello,<br class=""><br class=""></div>My name is Victor, been a developer (C, delphi, php, java, js) for the last 10 years or so and lately I had the chance to try swift. I have a suggestion/question regarding initializers.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Sidenote: If this is not the correct mailing list for this can you please redirect me to the right place?<br class=""><br class=""></div>Consider the following 2 classes and code:<br class=""><br class=""></div>class A {<br class=""></div> var x:Int<br class=""><br class=""></div> init() {<br class=""></div> x = 1<br class=""><div class=""> }<br class=""><div class=""><div class="">}<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">class B : A {<br class=""></div><div class=""> override init() {<br class=""></div><div class=""> super.init() // Swift FORCES this call<br class=""></div><div class=""> x = 2<br class=""></div><div class=""> }<br class=""></div><div class="">}<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">var a:B<br class=""></div><div class="">for i in 0...99999999 {<br class=""></div><div class=""> a = B() // Whatever... some code that inits B.<br class=""></div><div class="">}<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This results in 99999999 x = 1 then 99999999 x = 2... the x = 1 being totally useless in this particular case.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In this case, if you don't make the super init you get a compile error.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Now... I see the use of this. It ensure that all members are initialized. For example if A had a private variable (another strange choice here with what private means in swift but I haven't thought on it yet so... maybe is a cool choice), the B init could not initialize it. I also understand that the cases when you need this minor performance gain are rather rare (but they do still exist). So I guess the choice for the super.init() had that reasoning.<br class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class="">Still... my suggestion would be to give a warning, maybe force a key word before the init (like iKnowWhatImDoing init() {}), THEN in case vars are still not inited give a runtime error (afaik Objective C for example gives a warning). That ensures everything is ok and also allows programmers that have strange cases to treat them accordingly.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway... that would be my suggestion. Maybe this was discussed before also... If this was discussed before can you please point me to the discussion? I like to understand the choices for the tools I use.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">P.S. Please excuse any grammatical errors... English is not my first language.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your time and have a great day,<br class=""></div><div class="">Petrescu Victor<br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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