<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">For a tiny but massively important part of Apple on which they’re essentially betting the entire future of the company? Yeah, I think the world’s richest Fortune 500 company can afford to allocate the resources for a web forum.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 26, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Austin Zheng <<a href="mailto:austinzheng@gmail.com" class="">austinzheng@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Apple having billions of dollars, and the Swift team as a tiny part of Apple with associated resource allocations, are two completely different things. Please don't be obtuse.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Austin</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Charles Srstka <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:cocoadev@charlessoft.com" target="_blank" class="">cocoadev@charlessoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><span class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Austin Zheng via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="m_5831592614019056270Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">I don't like mailing lists in particular (or, really, at all), but I haven't yet seen a good answer to the question: who is going to put in the long-term commitment to host and maintain a replacement solution, moderate forums, make technical upgrades and backups, and perform all the other maintenance and administrative work it takes to properly run a system like Discourse, a web forum, or even a bug tracker. I suspect that any such solution is going to require an additional commitment since 1). we will no longer be able to leverage shared mailing-list infrastructure that is run by people outside the Swift team, 2). it's pretty much a given IMO that any solution which encourages richer and easier interaction is going to require additional community curation.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></span><div class="">Are we really arguing that Apple, the most valuable corporation in the world, does not have the resources to host a web forum?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Charles</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></font></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div>
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