<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" target="_blank">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span class="gmail-"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Xiaodi Wu <<a href="mailto:xiaodi.wu@gmail.com" target="_blank">xiaodi.wu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-2209502676276469498Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="gmail-m_-2209502676276469498Singleton"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div class="gmail-m_-2209502676276469498m_2282098758741852403Singleton" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Signing up for mailing lists is straightforward, yes—but that’s only a small part of it. Signing up for a mailing list is a *commitment.* Once you do it, your inbox will be inundated with mailing list posts, making it difficult to find messages that actually have been intended for you personally. Therefore, you’ll have to deal with that somehow. You can set up rules in Mail to route mailing list posts to a separate folder, but that won’t help you if you access your webmail from a public machine.<span class="gmail-m_-2209502676276469498m_2282098758741852403Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></span><div>FWIW, I subscribe to many mailing lists in gmail and have it auto filter emails to mailing lists into a separate mailbox (well, really, tags) for each list. It works great for me.</div><div><br></div><div>This doesn’t detract from your point about it being a commitment though.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It does kind of imply a follow-up question, though: is it _undesirable_ that signing up for a mailing list is a modicum of commitment?</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div></span><div>I’m mixed on that. On the one hand, it is great to have some level of commitment before people inject their opinion into the mix for some discussion. OTOH, I’m sympathetic to the desire that a lot of people want to just “follow along” without participating, and the mailman web interface is pretty uninspired.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...not just uninspired, I'd go as far as saying it's hostile to discussion — due to the way messages are (or aren't) organized in the pipermail archive, it's often impossible to get a single link that encompasses the entire discussion so far, so linking between threads is painful, not to mention properly threading discussion in the first place. Quoting other messages is left up to individual mail clients, which don't agree with each other on formatting, and code blocks are similarly tragic.</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, I can link you directly to an individual post in a 231-message discussion thread about a Rust feature: <a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/pre-rfc-named-arguments/3831/170">https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/pre-rfc-named-arguments/3831/170</a> ...glance through it for some great expandable inline quotes, syntax highlighting, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>IMO, the only thing that makes the mailing list more of a "commitment" than a forum is that the sign-up interface is harder to use, so it takes more effort up front. Once you've signed up, it's not that much <i>extra</i> effort to set up digests, or cancel your list membership, which might both be viewed as "lower-commitment" options.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>-Chris</div><div><br></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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