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<div>I've gone through three email clients since swift-evolution started (Apple Mail, then Airmail, and now Spark), and they work well enough for general, simple email usage, but the mailing list experience has been poor enough to discourage me from participating. Threads get split all the time -- right now I see four separate threads for the "Strings in Swift 4" discussion. I'd need to click around each of them to get the entire discussion and piece together the chronology manually, and if I want to participate I need to somehow determine which thread is the correct one to reply to.</div>
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<div>I appreciate the philosophy of the mailing list, but I really think that forum software would work much better from a practical standpoint.</div>
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<div>I think a chat service like Slack could be useful as well, but not as a replacement for something like a forum. A forum works much better for long-form, asynchronous discussions.</div>
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On Jan 23, 2017, 09:59 -0800, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org>, wrote:<br />
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<div>It will be painted! ;)</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">So far we have:</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">+2 Disclosure </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Let's really get everyone's opinions and see if we can get this rock rolling towards a better solution. Of course it will be Apple's choice in the end but we can give a voice on the matter to show we do care about moving over. <br />
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On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:55 AM, David Waite <<a href="mailto:david@alkaline-solutions.com">david@alkaline-solutions.com</a>> wrote:<br />
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<div class="">I would actually prefer something closer to an issue tracker than discourse. We get a lot of repeat and diverging topics, and it would be nice to mark discussions as related, duplicates, etc</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution <<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p class="airmail_on" style="margin: 15px 0px;">Am 23. Januar 2017 um 17:18:42, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution (<a href="mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org" style="color: rgb(65, 131, 196); background-color: inherit; text-decoration: none;" class="">swift-evolution@swift.org</a>) schrieb:</p>
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<div class=""><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">  I would like to (re)open up discussion on moving away from email for the swift evolution mailing list. I know this has probably been discussed before but it really should be addressed again. I wouldn't even know how to find if it has been discussed before because it would be too hard to go back through the history. </span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">The main factors to move away from email is because email may deter newcomers, history, and threads. I may be speaking for myself when saying email may intimidate newcomers from expressing their opinions and thoughts. It is hard to know what has already been discussed and who is even in the active conversation. Keeping track of history is a pain as well. Searching through many emails to find who said what and when is not effective in email clients. Also, code formatting in emails is not effective. Let's discuss and actually make an action to move away from email if the community so agrees. Of course, recommendations are Slack, Hipchat (-1), and Gitter.</span></div>
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