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<p>From my current perspective, my draft is way to0 outdated and ugly. :D And I myself will be very busy in the next two month, so please don’t count on me for now. </p>
<p>But I will follow the topic and write some feedback as good as I only can.</p>
<p></p></div><div class="bloop_original_html"><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1484757705640491008" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Adrian Zubarev<br>Sent with Airmail</div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">Am 18. Januar 2017 um 17:41:11, Austin Zheng (<a href="mailto:austinzheng@gmail.com">austinzheng@gmail.com</a>) schrieb:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div></div><div>
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I probably won't have time, unfortunately. I think Adrian Zubarev
(cc'ed) had a draft for this proposal at some point, so you might
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<div class="">On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:48 PM, David Hart <<a href="mailto:david@hartbit.com" class="">david@hartbit.com</a>>
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+ Protocol proposal? If not, I can do it. Let me know.
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proposal for Superclass + Protocol because that’s all we can afford
to have for Swift 4 or bug Austin to resubmit his full
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<div class="">I think it makes sense to split out the
more-Swift-4-critical Superclass + Protocol bit, because it affects
the import of Objective-C APIs in a manner that breaks source code.
Reading the tea leaves, I can’t imagine having time to implement
the full generalized-extensions proposal in Swift 4.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Russ
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Yeah. I'm less sure about the other enhancements to existentials
fitting into Swift 4, e.g., the creation of existentials for
protocols with associated types. Although important, it's a big
feature that will take a bunch of design and implementation time,
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">If so I’ll say this is such a
constant pain point and perverts so many API designs… not to
mention vomiting AnyXYZ type-erased wrappers everywhere… In my
completely non-authoritative personal opinion we shouldn’t ship
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To be absolutely clear, I think this is an extremely important
feature. It's also a significant undertaking in both design and
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hasn't most of the design work already been done by Austin
and all those participating back then? What is missing? How much of
the original proposal is possible to implement in the Swift 4 (on
top of Superclass + Protocol)? Just want some hints on how to drive
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