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.error { color:#AA0000; }</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="bloop_markdown"><p>I’m fine with adding features step by step. ;)</p>
<p>There is no need for an explicit type alias in your</p>
<pre><code class="swift">extension MyStruct : Constructible<String> { … }
</code></pre>
<p>Because <code>Value</code> is already constrained by <code>String</code>.</p>
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<p><strong>2.</strong> Should have it’s own thread because the problem already exists today and is not yet formally solved.</p>
<pre><code class="swift">protocol A { var test: Int { get set } }
protocol B { var test: Int { get set } }
struct C : A, B {
// fine, but maybe there might be two different `test` properties
var test: Int = 42
// vs. (if there is that what was intended by `A` and `B`)
var A.test: Int = 0
var B.test: Int = 1
}
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<p>In my <code>typealias</code> examples I mixed <strong>1.</strong> and <strong>4.</strong> together.</p>
<pre><code class="swift">protocol GenericFoo<T> : Foo where Value == T { /* nothing here */ }
typealias GenericFoo<T> = Foo where Value == T
</code></pre>
<p>I see that the latter cannot produce an actual new protocol, because it’s more like a macro and cannot be used multiple times for conformances.</p>
<pre><code class="swift">struct D : GenericFoo<Int>, GenericFoo<String> {}
// vs.
struct D : Foo where Value == Int, /* cannot add the second macro for String */ {}
</code></pre>
<p>And that is probably why we need real parametrized protocols. </p>
<p>That said, I’m fine starting with <strong>1.</strong> and really looking forward to the talk about <strong>4.</strong></p>
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<p>Questions about <strong>1.</strong>: </p>
<ul>
<li>Does it affect ABI or is it needed to simplify the stdlib somehow?</li>
<li>Is it something for the current phase?</li>
</ul>
<p></p></div><div class="bloop_original_html"><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1481369693439978240" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Adrian Zubarev<br>Sent with Airmail</div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">Am 10. Dezember 2016 um 11:31:09, Anton Zhilin (<a href="mailto:antonyzhilin@gmail.com">antonyzhilin@gmail.com</a>) schrieb:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">I have to agree with Tino
Heth, our aim is to add something basic at first. Although we’d
better make sure that we will be able to add other wanted features
in the future.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">How about this plan?</p>
<ol style="margin:1.2em 0px;padding-left:2em">
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Generic protocols without associated
types</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Basic conflict resolution using “dot”
syntax</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Generic protocols with associated
types (depends on (2))</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Specialization of non-generic
protocols with associated types (+work on existential
notation)</li>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">Some inline reply
follows.</p>
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<p>While trying to find the talk about overlapping protocol members
from different protocols I spotted your proposal: <a href="https://github.com/Anton3/swift-evolution/blob/generic-protocols/proposals/NNNN-generic-protocols.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/Anton3/swif<wbr>t-evolution/blob/generic-proto<wbr>cols/proposals/NNNN-generic-<wbr>protocols.md</a></p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">This is quite an old
listing. Thanks for reminding!</p>
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<p>Here is the evolution-thread: <a href="https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20160919/027122.html" target="_blank">https://lists.swift.org/piperm<wbr>ail/swift-evolution/Week-of-<wbr>Mon–20160919/027122.html</a></p>
<p>The suggestion there was to prefix everything with the
corresponding protocol when there is a collision.</p>
<pre><code class="gmail-m_6932992864106346999gmail-m_7779821207004609716swift">struct Test : Foo<Int>, Foo<String> {
init(_ value: Foo<Int>.Value) { … } // or better: init(_ value: Int)
init(_ value: Foo<String>.Value) { … } // init(_ value: String)
// assume both had the function `foo()`
func Foo<Int>.foo() { … }
func Foo<String>.foo() { … }
}</code></pre></div>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">That’s a working
solution. It doesn’t scale very much, if we try to apply it to
protocol inheritance (conformance) hierarchies, but we shouldn’t
care for now.</p>
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<pre>Is there really a need for true generic protocols? I’m still fascinated by the idea how a generic and constrained <code>typealias</code><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> could create this new ‘pseudo’ generic protocol.</span></pre></div>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important">I agree that ideally,
existing protocols should be intact. If so, then we should consider
“the original protocol with associated types” and “explicitly
specialized protocol” as two different protocols:</p>
<pre style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;font-size:1em;line-height:1.2em;margin:1.2em 0px"><code class="hljs language-swift" style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline;white-space:pre;overflow:auto;border-radius:3px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0.5em 0.7em;display:block!important;display:block;overflow-x:auto;padding:0.5em;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:rgb(248,248,248)"><span class="hljs-class"><span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">protocol</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold;color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Constructible</span> </span>{
associatedtype <span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Value</span>
<span class="hljs-func"><span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">func</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">foo</span><span class="hljs-params">()</span>
}
<span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">struct</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span> : <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">Constructible</span> </span>{
<span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">typealias</span> <span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Value</span> = <span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Int</span>
<span class="hljs-func"><span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">func</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">foo</span><span class="hljs-params">()</span> </span>{ }
}
<span class="hljs-class"><span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">extension</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold;color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span> : <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold;color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Constructible</span><<span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold;color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">String</span>> </span>{ <span class="hljs-comment" style="color:rgb(153,153,136);font-style:italic">// or Constructible<Value: String>, or whatever</span>
<span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">typealias</span> <span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Constructible</span><<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">String</span>>.<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Value</span> = <span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">String</span>
<span class="hljs-func"><span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">func</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">Constructible</span><span class="hljs-generics"><String></span>.<span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">foo</span><span class="hljs-params">()</span> </span>{ }
}
<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span>.<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Value</span> <span class="hljs-comment" style="color:rgb(153,153,136);font-style:italic">// Int</span>
<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span>.<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Constructible</span><<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">String</span>>.<span class="hljs-type" style="color:rgb(68,85,136);font-weight:bold">Value</span> <span class="hljs-comment" style="color:rgb(153,153,136);font-style:italic">// String</span>
<span class="hljs-func"><span class="hljs-keyword" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-weight:bold">func</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">bar</span><span class="hljs-generics"><T: Constructible></span><span class="hljs-params">(t: T)</span> // <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">can</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">call</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">with</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span>
<span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">func</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">bar</span><span class="hljs-generics"><T: Constructible<Int></span>><span class="hljs-params">(t: T)</span> // <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">can</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">NOT</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">call</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">with</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span>
<span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">func</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">bar</span><span class="hljs-generics"><T: Constructible<String></span>><span class="hljs-params">(t: T)</span> // <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">can</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">call</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">with</span> <span class="hljs-title" style="color:rgb(153,0,0);font-weight:bold">MyStruct</span></span>
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